NASCAR driver and family in plane crash

Kingairer said:
I’m hearing the captain was a retired delta pilot. Can anyone confirm? If so it changes things a bit in my mind.
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Gryder has it figured out. *rollseyes*

Supposedly has a recording of the Unicom. Delta guys kid calls and says they are having engine problems and they are returning. Airmen registry of the Delta Cap says he needed an SIC.
 
Wardogg said:
Gryder has it figured out. *rollseyes*

Supposedly has a recording of the Unicom. Delta guys kid calls and says they are having engine problems and they are returning. Airmen registry of the Delta Cap says he needed an SIC.
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I hate that guy. Even when he gets it right, I hate his arrogance and lack of empathy.

I especially hated how he referred to the victims by first name, like he knew them.

It’s okay to have questions and entertain possible explanations with the known facts but this guy just bothers me. On this forum, we bounce around theories but rarely does anybody claim to have the final word.

Looking at the erratic flight path, I thought the pilot might be incapacitated and the qualifications of the SIC might have been an issue. Now, it’s looking like an experienced pilot mishandled a textbook emergency. I’ll patiently wait for more definitive info.

Regardless, my interest in the details is trumped by my empathy.
 
His speculative causation seems very reasonable. Heavy, single engine, flaps inappropriately set to full with a tight turn to final and she just couldn’t do it and settled short.

What I don’t understand is why they rushed back so quickly. If it is so underpowered, at altitude why not just run thru the steps and join a long straight in final. I would think a DL trained retired airline pilot would not rush back, but obviously they did, so why?
 
Pilot Fighter said:
I hate that guy. Even when he gets it right, I hate his arrogance and lack of empathy.

I especially hated how he referred to the victims by first name, like he knew them.

It’s okay to have questions and entertain possible explanations with the known facts but this guy just bothers me. On this forum, we bounce around theories but rarely does anybody claim to have the final word.

Looking at the erratic flight path, I thought the pilot might be incapacitated and the qualifications of the SIC might have been an issue. Now, it’s looking like an experienced pilot mishandled a textbook emergency. I’ll patiently wait for more definitive info.

Regardless, my interest in the details is trumped by my empathy.
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I don't dislike informed speculation. I also don't dislike private informed speculation (let's face it, we're all going to do it to a degree).

I don't do it here, nor do I do it in places where I think the press (they do read this forum on occasion) may pick up on it.

Nor will you ever see me doing it on YouTube (partly because I think that my employer would swat me like a gorilla swatting a gnat and I'm not pretty enough to rely on the screen for my income, but also because I think making money off that is grotesque, and I'd be rightly upset if it was me at the bottom of the crater with people blabbing about how I got there and getting paid for it).
 
Autothrust Blue said:
I...don't care whether it's reasonable or not, he needs to sit down, shut up, and stay out of the frakking way (and out of the public discourse).
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I don’t really have a huge issue with it other than the certainty he ties to it. I think the time we wait for all these reports to go out is way to long and there is some benefit to striking while the iron is hot. But he talks as if this 100% what happened and he really doesn’t know what was going on in the cockpit.
 
Kingairer said:
His speculative causation seems very reasonable. Heavy, single engine, flaps inappropriately set to full with a tight turn to final and she just couldn’t do it and settled short.

What I don’t understand is why they rushed back so quickly. If it is so underpowered, at altitude why not just run thru the steps and join a long straight in final. I would think a DL trained retired airline pilot would not rush back, but obviously they did, so why?
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Other than smoke in the cockpit or confirmed and unextinguished fire, I can’t think of too many things that would entice me to get on the ground as soon as possible. I’m scratching my head, this pilot had some impressive credentials.

Perhaps, the investigation will reveal other factors.
 
A lot of you guys are hung up on the ex airline pilot part but forgetting the only reason why a ton of retired guys are still alive is because of 121.

Take all the safety nets away and the crazy wild pilots get to be crazy and wild in the 91 world and bam.

91 gigs like this have zero written FOM, or anything that could be called a manual. Literally nothing on paper.

And just wait until you find out the mx history of a 1980’s jet that was on its last owner until the scrap yard.
 
The CVR will again be key to understanding what the mindset was in the cockpit. Were there indications of something more than a basic engine failure? Was the pilot rushed or feeling rushed by something either perceived or something that was actually occurring? What was the stress factor being experienced and how was it affecting the handling of the situation? Were appropriate checklists able to be run? All of this will come out in due time with the CVR analysis, just as as the field investigation analysis will reveal any evidence of anything beyond basic engine failure.
 
Hopefully the CVR was in working order. The failure of the CVR in the 2019 GF AK crash meant that the report was closed with no probable cause other than “loss of control for undetermined reasons”
 
T/O w/FSII said:
A lot of you guys are hung up on the ex airline pilot part but forgetting the only reason why a ton of retired guys are still alive is because of 121.

Take all the safety nets away and the crazy wild pilots get to be crazy and wild in the 91 world and bam.

91 gigs like this have zero written FOM, or anything that could be called a manual. Literally nothing on paper.

And just wait until you find out the mx history of a 1980’s jet that was on its last owner until the scrap yard.
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During that brief period when I flew part 91 with dad for the moneyed side of the family, we at least complied with Part 135 and commuter category performance requirements (the terrain and the physics of clearing same do not know what regulations you are flying under). The clients were old and in no hurry, and they actually cancelled trips on a few foul weather days before we even thought about bringing it up. Them being old and in no rush also meant that if we were tired they probably were. We also did our best to adhere to some sort of standard way of doing things that suited both our habits and experiences, and developing that was a certain amount of fun.

(This is not normal of course.)

Those airplanes are highly capable tools, if less so than airliners, and are meant to be employed as same by their owners. So what if it’s 100-1/2 at Podunk Muni, go have a look!
 
Wardogg said:
Gryder has it figured out. *rollseyes*

Supposedly has a recording of the Unicom. Delta guys kid calls and says they are having engine problems and they are returning. Airmen registry of the Delta Cap says he needed an SIC.
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From Citation pilot on another forum: You can have a single pilot authorization letter with that restriction on a certificate.
 
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