NASCAR driver and family in plane crash

Kingairer said:
I’m hearing the captain was a retired delta pilot. Can anyone confirm? If so it changes things a bit in my mind.
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Gryder has it figured out. *rollseyes*

Supposedly has a recording of the Unicom. Delta guys kid calls and says they are having engine problems and they are returning. Airmen registry of the Delta Cap says he needed an SIC.
 
Wardogg said:
Gryder has it figured out. *rollseyes*

Supposedly has a recording of the Unicom. Delta guys kid calls and says they are having engine problems and they are returning. Airmen registry of the Delta Cap says he needed an SIC.
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I hate that guy. Even when he gets it right, I hate his arrogance and lack of empathy.

I especially hated how he referred to the victims by first name, like he knew them.

It’s okay to have questions and entertain possible explanations with the known facts but this guy just bothers me. On this forum, we bounce around theories but rarely does anybody claim to have the final word.

Looking at the erratic flight path, I thought the pilot might be incapacitated and the qualifications of the SIC might have been an issue. Now, it’s looking like an experienced pilot mishandled a textbook emergency. I’ll patiently wait for more definitive info.

Regardless, my interest in the details is trumped by my empathy.
 
His speculative causation seems very reasonable. Heavy, single engine, flaps inappropriately set to full with a tight turn to final and she just couldn’t do it and settled short.

What I don’t understand is why they rushed back so quickly. If it is so underpowered, at altitude why not just run thru the steps and join a long straight in final. I would think a DL trained retired airline pilot would not rush back, but obviously they did, so why?
 
Pilot Fighter said:
I hate that guy. Even when he gets it right, I hate his arrogance and lack of empathy.

I especially hated how he referred to the victims by first name, like he knew them.

It’s okay to have questions and entertain possible explanations with the known facts but this guy just bothers me. On this forum, we bounce around theories but rarely does anybody claim to have the final word.

Looking at the erratic flight path, I thought the pilot might be incapacitated and the qualifications of the SIC might have been an issue. Now, it’s looking like an experienced pilot mishandled a textbook emergency. I’ll patiently wait for more definitive info.

Regardless, my interest in the details is trumped by my empathy.
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I don't dislike informed speculation. I also don't dislike private informed speculation (let's face it, we're all going to do it to a degree).

I don't do it here, nor do I do it in places where I think the press (they do read this forum on occasion) may pick up on it.

Nor will you ever see me doing it on YouTube (partly because I think that my employer would swat me like a gorilla swatting a gnat and I'm not pretty enough to rely on the screen for my income, but also because I think making money off that is grotesque, and I'd be rightly upset if it was me at the bottom of the crater with people blabbing about how I got there and getting paid for it).
 
Autothrust Blue said:
I...don't care whether it's reasonable or not, he needs to sit down, shut up, and stay out of the frakking way (and out of the public discourse).
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I don’t really have a huge issue with it other than the certainty he ties to it. I think the time we wait for all these reports to go out is way to long and there is some benefit to striking while the iron is hot. But he talks as if this 100% what happened and he really doesn’t know what was going on in the cockpit.
 
Kingairer said:
His speculative causation seems very reasonable. Heavy, single engine, flaps inappropriately set to full with a tight turn to final and she just couldn’t do it and settled short.

What I don’t understand is why they rushed back so quickly. If it is so underpowered, at altitude why not just run thru the steps and join a long straight in final. I would think a DL trained retired airline pilot would not rush back, but obviously they did, so why?
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Other than smoke in the cockpit or confirmed and unextinguished fire, I can’t think of too many things that would entice me to get on the ground as soon as possible. I’m scratching my head, this pilot had some impressive credentials.

Perhaps, the investigation will reveal other factors.
 
A lot of you guys are hung up on the ex airline pilot part but forgetting the only reason why a ton of retired guys are still alive is because of 121.

Take all the safety nets away and the crazy wild pilots get to be crazy and wild in the 91 world and bam.

91 gigs like this have zero written FOM, or anything that could be called a manual. Literally nothing on paper.

And just wait until you find out the mx history of a 1980’s jet that was on its last owner until the scrap yard.
 
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