Must have missed this story last year. Alaska pilot allegedly drugged and raped.

jtrain609 said:
Criminal and civil standards are different for finding fault. OJ Simpson was acquitted in his criminal trial, but still lost in a civil trial on the same issue.
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Absolutely, and Alaska is free to use the results of a civil case in their internal response as well. In fact, I would hope that if a civil judgment found the CA responsible, he'd be canned.
 
Murdoughnut said:
I never said that. I just said that it would be wise for Alaska to wait until law enforcement has an opportunity to investigate before taking any action, other than temporary suspension. If he ends up charged, then it makes the decision easy on the company. If not, then they can take it on internally.

You should at least acknowledge that you're not able to separate yourself from your emotional response to this story enough to advocate that both parties are given a fair opportunity to defend their actions/accusations.
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I'm not a judge, this isn't a court room.

Alaska has every chance to defend their behavior, because they're the ones being named in the claim, not the captain. My guess is that her attorney will argue that Alaska has a duty to protect employees from sexual assault, which they failed here. Only a guess on my part, though.
 
jtrain609 said:
I'm not a judge, this isn't a court room.

Alaska has every chance to defend their behavior, because they're the ones being named in the claim, not the captain. My guess is that her attorney will argue that Alaska has a duty to protect employees from sexual assault, which they failed here. Only a guess on my part, though.
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Oh I wasn't responding to how they defend themselves, I wouldn't begin to be able to speculate on that.
 
Stone Cold said:
Are you saying the guy doesn't deserve due process? Definitely, put the guy on admin leave and don't let him fly, but to say the guy doesn't deserve due process? Hmmm...
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Well our Ompa Lompa in charge seems to think Due Process isn’t important. So yeah let’s just believe anything anyone says and crucify anyone accused before we hear thier side of the story. How many women recently have been outed of fraudulently claiming rape after regretting sleeping with someone.

Not saying that’s the case here but let’s at least get his side of the story before we burn him on a stake.

If true frack yeah let’s fry his ass but if this is a misunderstanding or it didn’t happen the way she is claiming then people need to proceed carefully.

There are some fishy things to her story. And interestingly no criminal complaint. Only one to the union and apparently no complaint to her employer until her lawyer filed suit. Also Alaska is the defendant not the male pilot. What’s up with that?

I’d like to understand why her first call wasn’t to 911 rather than dispatch and then her union.

It’s possible that there is a completely understandable reason for how she handled it just seems weird to me.
 
Murdoughnut said:
Oh I wasn't responding to how they defend themselves, I wouldn't begin to be able to speculate on that.
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That's what this is all about.

Alaska has already concluded their internal investigation. There is no prosecutor involved in this. There was no criminal charge brought.

She's bringing a claim against ALASKA, not the captain, because of the result of Alaska's internal investigation.
 
jtrain609 said:
I'm not a judge, this isn't a court room.

Alaska has every chance to defend their behavior, because they're the ones being named in the claim, not the captain. My guess is that her attorney will argue that Alaska has a duty to protect employees from sexual assault, which they failed here. Only a guess on my part, though.
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That’s going to be a hard case to make (unless it’s in front of a jury). They were on personal time. The company isn’t responsible for employee behavior on thier off time. The company can fire someone for things the employee does on their free time that the company disagrees with (with certain specific exceptions) but the company can’t be held responsible.

If that’s the theory her attorney is going with she’s going to loose (unless she gets a jury trial then Alaska is screwed).

I think students should be required to learn some of the legal profession like they are required to learn about health or balancing a check in high school. You know things like Due process and responsible actors. It might help in situations like this and a few other situations I am aware of recently (I’m looking at you Drump).
 
jtrain609 said:
That's what this is all about.

Alaska has already concluded their internal investigation. There is no prosecutor involved in this. There was no criminal charge brought.

She's bringing a claim against ALASKA, not the captain, because of the result of Alaska's internal investigation.
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I didn't see that in the original article that I read a couple of days ago on this. Mea culpa on not reading this specific article if it mentioned it. I was going off the presumption that she was going after the captain, and that's why I was saying he deserves due process.

That was definitely an interesting article you linked earlier. Thanks for the info.
 
Not sure what state they're specifically employed in(Washington state?), but if it's a right to work state, they can fire you for whatever reason they want, no due process needed. The union is a different story and surely they'll put up a fight, but legally, they don't need cause.

I'd be inclined to believe her story. The captain was reported by the F/A for carrying two glasses of wine into his room and they caught him on the elevator security camera forceably kissing her while she tried to fight him off. Of course she's not going to report it, because aviation is a tight knit, male dominated community and she's going to be known and blackballed as the female pilot that cried rape.
 
jtrain609 said:
I'm not a judge, this isn't a court room.

Alaska has every chance to defend their behavior, because they're the ones being named in the claim, not the captain. My guess is that her attorney will argue that Alaska has a duty to protect employees from sexual assault, which they failed here. Only a guess on my part, though.
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I do know a guy who beat up his captain on a layover and kept his job. And strangely it wasn't the first time.
 
Wouldn't you want to get drug tested if you had a reason to believe you were drugged?
 
Derg said:
I do know a guy who beat up his captain on a layover and kept his job. And strangely it wasn't the first time.
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z987k said:
If you're referring to the DOT test we take for banned substances, rohypnol is not tested for.
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No, I'm referring to thinking you've been drugged, not getting tested to confirm it, and then swinging accusations that you were.

Granted, you might be very busy with other stuff in the heat of trying to pull your stuff together to think straight, but in the article I read she makes it sound like she was dead set that he drugged her and raped her, but she needed to get back into the cockpit asap then deal with the other items. Umm... great.
 
Derg said:
I do know a guy who beat up his captain on a layover and kept his job. And strangely it wasn't the first time.
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Wasn’t the first time the captain got their ass kicked, or wasn’t the first time the FO did some ass kicking?
 
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