I went to Pan Am, and by doing so I got to hear "the hear say" of what Westind is like. It is more laidback than Pan Am, the students get to pick what plane they get to fly, the instructor and student get to set their own schedule, and the student doesn't get charged for a brief they never receive. I did my instrument, CRM sim, and multi rating, and I was charged 1.4 times the hobs, times the cost of ground per hour for briefs all of which cost me $7000 dollars for 200 hours of briefs that I never received. It is hard to say how much brief time that I have received since the average time was about 5 min after each flight while the instructor would sign my logbook. Anyway, I know there are instructors at Westwind that have upwards of 2000hrs with maybe 200-300 multi. Westwind and Pan Am have their advantages and disadvantages. Pan Am has a great facility as does Westwind, but the aircraft at Pan Am are in great shape, 98, 99 00, 01, and 02 models. The Archers have airconditioning, and I forget if the Arrows have it since I never flew one. The Seminoles don't. The thing is at Pan Am one knows what aircraft they will fly day to day, but at Westwind, if you are an instructor, you will fly what ever the students want. I know a handful of students in the past month that have left Pan Am to transfer over to Westwind or another school, but I have never heard of a student come from Westwind to Pan Am. Though, Pan Am does have an instructor that did receive his training at Westwind, got hired on as an instructor at some other facility, and then got hired at Pan Am. I believe that one will save thousands at West Wind as a student whereas a student at Pan Am can easily spend the $80K one can borrow through Key loan. The bridge program is a joke at Pan Am. Every instructor that leaves Pan Am for employment ends up at Airnet. I have not seen one instructor go to a regional carrier, and I have been there since January. Just last month at Embry-Riddle in Prescott, ACA hired 20 instructors. There are airlines hiring just not from Pan Am.