MOSAIC

[jtrain609]

It doesn't go far enough. Certification is unconstitutional, taxation is theft.

 

[MidlifeFlyer]

Compare the panel shown above with a close approximation of the panel I soloed behind (Cessna 140). Do you think the techno stuff enhances or detracts from primary instruction? Or does it matter at all?

I think it adds training time since there are more systems to learn. Just like time to solo tends to take longer if you train at a busy Class D as opposed to a rural nontowered field. Beyond that I think there is no long-term difference.

 

[DE727UPS]

The simpler the panel the better. They can't test you on things you don't have. GPS navigators can be pretty complex if you get into the weeds, which DPE's can do.

 

[Roger Roger]

I am genuinely asking this, and not trying to be snarky.

How much of a market is the sport pilot's license? I never did any training as a CFI towards a sport license for anyone, and I don't hear about it much. I see LSAs fly, and I am sure this will be great, but in the realm of processing power of the FAA, is this what is so pressing and needed that it really needed to be the first major focus of the new transportation secretary?

this has been in the works for a while, not like it’s a new thing that’s sidetracking the DOT.

 

[arkavgal]

I read you only need a drivers license and you can't fly if you have a medical issue that will effect your ability to safely operate an LSA.

Wow. I gave up on pursuing flying partly because I take duloxetine and pregabalin for neuropathy and those meds are disqualifying. They aren't impairing and I've been on them for years. I would jump at the chance to be able to fly.

 

[Roger Roger]

The simpler the panel the better. They can't test you on things you don't have. GPS navigators can be pretty complex if you get into the weeds, which DPE's can do.

If I ever own an airplane again it will have the minimum VFR stuff and an iPad with ForeFlight. And I’ll be living somewhere where I can buzz around at 500’ and if the engine goes kaboom, flare when the crops are tickling the mains. I’ve spent too much time seeing all the • that goes sideways in a GA plane to have any interest in flying one IFR again, especially if it’s on my dime.

 

[DeltaAlphaNovember]

You cannot fly LSA if you have applied for an FAA medical and it was denied or deferred. If you have not applied for one, all you need is a driver's license.

 

[DE727UPS]

I have a Cherokee out of WN26, Palouse, WA. Don't fly at night. Engine goes boom and I land in a wheat field. I don't fly in the mountains and I don't fly over cities. This is what flying big jets for years does to you.

 

[DE727UPS]

You cannot fly LSA if you have applied for an FAA medical and it was denied or deferred. If you have not applied for one, all you need is a driver's license.

I don't believe that's true. This sounds like basic med. If you have a reference to prove otherwise I'm all ears. I quoted the FAA reference at MOSAIC's website. I must admit it's fairly vague. I could see OKC pushing back and perhaps you are correct. Would love to see a reference posted within the last couple days.

 

[MidlifeFlyer]

I don't believe that's true. This sounds like basic med. If you have a reference to prove otherwise I'm all ears.

The eyes work better than ears here Read 61.23(c)(2). You can look at the current rule. There is no change to that under MOSAIC. (Here’s the link to the full MOSAIC Final Rule so you can check.)

Medical certification differences between BasicMed and sport privileges:

• BasicMed requires at least one FAA medical certificate. Sport privileges do not.
• BasicMed requires a periodic medical examination by a physician. Sport privileges do not.
• BasicMed requires a periodic medical online course. Sport privileges do not.

But neither can be used if an FAA medical certificate has been denied or revoked.

 

[arkavgal]

You cannot fly LSA if you have applied for an FAA medical and it was denied or deferred. If you have not applied for one, all you need is a driver's license.

Hmmm. I had one deferred for ADHD back in 2010, did the requisite testing and had the medical certificate issued. Class II, I believe. I never applied for a renewal.

 

[MidlifeFlyer]

Hmmm. I had one deferred for ADHD back in 2010, did the requisite testing and had the medical certificate issued. Class II, I believe. I never applied for a renewal.

So long as you were ultimately found eligible, and it was not revoked (or an associated SI withdrawn), you are eligible.

Many people have added the word “deferred” to the reg, but it’s not there. The wording says

“Have been found eligible for the issuance of at least a third-class airman medical certificate at the time of his or her most recent application (if the person has applied for a medical certificate)”

I suspect that those saying deferred but ultimately issued is no good, are reading “at the time .. of application” as a one-time event that is complete when you leave the AME’s office, rather than a process that can result in either issuance or denial.

 

[Richman]

this has been in the works for a while, not like it’s a new thing that’s sidetracking the DOT.

This. MOSAIC has been percolating for something like 10 years.

That being said, a lot of interesting bits got skimmed out of it, like an “owner maintained” category like they have in Canada. That’d let Joe Pilot take a course and then have ability to twist wrenches on his 172. A compliance inspection would be required to take it back to a standard certificate.

I heard a couple of conspiracy theories why it was ultimately pulled out. The real reason was it was probably causing some serious pause at with the Feds and they wanted to keep the program moving.

 

[CoffeeIcePapers]

I am genuinely asking this, and not trying to be snarky.

How much of a market is the sport pilot's license? I never did any training as a CFI towards a sport license for anyone, and I don't hear about it much. I see LSAs fly, and I am sure this will be great, but in the realm of processing power of the FAA, is this what is so pressing and needed that it really needed to be the first major focus of the new transportation secretary?

The market is mainly just people who know they can’t qualify for a medical, but choose to “self certify” and fly anyways.

 

[MidlifeFlyer]

The market is mainly just people who know they can’t qualify for a medical, but choose to “self certify” and fly anyways.

I think that's true for the private/commercial pilots who accept the limitations of sport privilege. But modern LSAs are also excellent trainers. I would guess that flight schools that specialize in LSAs have more private pilot candidates than sport pilot candidates.

 

[MidlifeFlyer]

I think that's true for the private/commercial pilots who accept the limitations of sport privilege. But modern LSAs are also excellent trainers. I would guess that flight schools that specialize in LSAs have more private pilot candidates than sport pilot candidates.

It's only one example, but I just checked with someone I know who has been operating flight schools that primarily use LSAs. They never marketed themselves as "sport pilot" schools and 99% of their students have been private pilot candidates.

 

[Richman]

Some efforts have amounted to nothing, like the recreational pilot certificate. By all accounts, the sport pilot avenue is a much better path.

 

[NovemberEcho]

You cannot fly LSA if you have applied for an FAA medical and it was denied or deferred. If you have not applied for one, all you need is a driver's license.

What if your medical was suspended for non-medical reasons? (Failure to send in documentation)

 

[ahw01]

It doesn't go far enough. Certification is unconstitutional, taxation is theft.

found your ideal LSA

 

[jtrain609]

found your ideal LSA

I need two.