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Foxcow

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This is the latest VARS message to come from the MEC. I think that both proposals from the company are complete garbage and I support the MEC's decision completely.

This is the message in case any non-water skiers are wondering:

Last week the Negotiating Committee met with the Company to resume Negotiations in San Antonio, TX. This month marks the third anniversary

of negotiations and two years under mediation. Sixteen Sections are Tentatively Agreed (TA) and 12 Sections remain open.



Despite three years of negotiations, prior to last week, the company had yet to present an economic package (hourly rates, guarantees, per diem,

insurance rates, 401K Company match). Therefore, the mediator instructed the company to come to this session with a complete economic proposal.

Rather than complying with the mediator’s instruction, the Company came to the table citing financial concerns over the progress of negotiations.

They characterized two possible catastrophic outcomes should negotiations continue to progress. First, in a worsening economic climate, there is no

way they can give us what we want. Second, by reaching an impasse we would eventually be released to self help. They also pointed out the inherent

liability an open contract has on them as a Company. Thus, the Company proposed an 18-month hiatus in negotiations and a two-year extension to

our contract, which they called a “Bridge Agreement.” The Company proposed to resume FLiCA and to increase pay and per diem rates, but in amounts

which would still be below industry average. The Company also proposed to put all sections which have been tentatively agreed to so far on hold (none

of them would be implemented). The Company’s offer made no improvements to any other section of the agreement, including retirement, insurance,

job protection, hours of service, scheduling, reserve, vacation, sick leave, etc.



The Association negotiating committee consulted with the MEC, which established some new objectives to engage in such a dialog. Job Security

would be at the forefront of those negotiations with some minor contractual improvements, and an end game to resumed negotiations. ALPA’s

proposal agreed to a two-year extension, and provided industry average pay rates, FLiCA, electronic bidding of monthly schedules (not PBS), a

commuter policy, an increase to company matching 401k contributions to 3%, a 100% line guarantee in months with a 98% completion factor (and

retention of the current 95% guarantee). Most importantly, ALPA proposed a single carrier letter which would have resulted in the combining of the

GoJet and TSA seniority lists, the only true way to provide protection against the alter ego company established four years ago. We saw the Bridge

Agreement concept as an opportunity to get close to industry average pay and obtain the job protections all of you desire (that comes from crew room

discussions and polling results). Finally, ALPA requested that TSA provide financial data to ALPA’s Economic and Financial Analysis Department to

confirm the company’s claim of economic need for the extension.



The Company provided a response to ALPA’s proposal, which they stated was their last and final proposal (meaning they would not entertain any further

negotiations on the Bridge Agreement). The only changes in this proposal to their previous one was to increase the pay rates slightly, add a 1.5% hourly

pay bump and a five cent per diem bump at the one year anniversary date, and a commuter clause. The pay increases for Captains in years 1 to 15

ranged between 3.8% to 5.8%. The smallest pay increase (3.8%) was applied to the largest captain longevity group (5th year captains). The Captain pay

scales were extended out from 15 to 19 years. On the First Officer side, the pay hikes for years 1 to 5 ranged from 5.4% to 5.9% and were extended out

to 7 years. There are more first officers in the second year of longevity than all other longevity years combined. The current second year first officer

rates are significantly below industry average. Despite the Company’s proposed 5.5% increase for second year FOs, they would still be $6.00 below

industry average rates.



The Company rejected all other proposals in ALPA’s Bridge proposal. Despite claiming an economic need for an extension, they refused to provide any

financial data to prove economic need nor did they accept any zero cost items. They also refused to consider our single carrier proposal and any other

form of job protection. They also asked for their “Bridge proposal” to be taken to the MEC for consideration of a full pilot vote.



Following the Company’s final Bridge offer, the mediator again insisted that the Company provide a complete economic proposal and a summary of

where they stand on all open sections. This was done so that in the event the Bridge proposal failed, the parties would have a place to resume normal

negotiations. Late Thursday night, the Company provided a complete economic proposal. This economic proposal included an across-the-board 5%

wage increase.



Yesterday was the first time the entire MEC and Negotiating Committee had common availability to meet and discuss the merits of the company’s Bridge

Agreement proposal. As many of you are aware, even before the MEC had a chance to meet with the negotiating committee, management has been

spreading misinformation about what actions have been taken by the MEC. We believe this was a political propaganda attempt to build mistrust in the

union, divide pilot unity and promote fear by stating how bad economic times are for the pilots and company. None-the-less the MEC took their proposal

into due consideration.



Late last night the MEC was extensively briefed by the Negotiating Committee. It was clear that neither the Negotiating Committee nor MEC would

endorse such a proposal. As a result, the MEC unanimously voted not to put this proposal out to a ratification vote. This was a carefully considered

decision and was reached primarily because the Company’s offer did not come close to meeting the negotiating goals established by the MEC which

were in turn derived from scientific pilot polling. The Company flatly rejected the job security concerns articulated by the Negotiating Committee.

Giving Trans States management an extension of time would simply give them time to continue to grow Gojet at the expense of Trans States pilots.

Increased revenue streams on our sister carrier would only serve to make any self help measure by TSA pilots ineffective.



At the table last week, the company claimed their Bridge Agreement proposal constituted a wage increase in excess of 6%. In fact, ALPA’s economic and

financial analysis department concluded that the overall increase was only 5.6%. In contrast, the Company’s comprehensive economic proposal contained

a wage increase of 5% for each longevity year. The Bridge proposal had wage increases in most of the longevity years which were below 5%. Thus, many

pilots would have received a smaller wage increase under the short term bridge agreement than if we resumed negotiations with the company’s

comprehensive proposal. It seems fruitless to grant a 2-year extension for a mere .6% overall increase with no other benefits or job protection. Not

surprisingly, while the company did extend the longevity wage rate tables, the smallest increases in rates applied to the largest group of pilots and the

largest increases applied to the smallest group of pilots. This was consistent for both captain and first officers.



Finally, I would like to point out that Trans States has not been acting like a company in financial crisis. While total operative revenue may decrease because

of the loss of aircraft, their operating costs have also diminished. They will no longer have those aircraft leases, maintenance, fuel (several were pro-rate

agreements) and crew costs associated with those aircraft. Similarly, in 2007 TSA showed a reduction in operating revenues after parking the J41 fleet BUT

their total operating expenses decreased by a greater amount. This resulted in TSA operating income increasing by $3 million and their profitability increasing

by $6 million. This was a 58% increase in profitability before taxes year over year.



Oddly enough, the only group of employees that seems to be shouldering the burden of the company’s alleged financial concerns are the pilots. The new

flight attendant agreement had signing bonuses ranging from $200 to $2500. The company even gave $1000 hiring bonuses to IAD new hire flight attendants.

TSA Management also received a $1 million payment for the cancellation of the American contract. Maybe if Trans States spent less money paying for

FAA enforcement actions on deficient maintenance, they wouldn’t feel compelled to make it up from the pilot group.



Their financial concerns might be better characterized as a financial impediment. Without the ability to buy more jets for GoJet, they may not be able to

leverage us into submission. Self help may very well scare them more than it scares us. Without a doubt, TSA Management will begin a fear campaign by

making claims that should we be released to self help, TSA will cease to exist. I can’t guarantee that won’t happen, but what future do we have if we ratify

an agreement without any job protections? After all, scope language costs them nothing.



Additional information including summaries of ALPA and the Company’s Bridge Proposals will be forthcoming along with highlights about their proposal.

Contact your P2P reps and MEC officers with any questions or concerns about the MEC’s actions.



Thank you for listening; Fly safe and fly your contract!
 
While morale is low at work, everyone I speak to share the same thoughts; hold the line and make improvements or burn it down!
 
So, let me get this straight. The company flat out refused to entertain a single carrier status? Yep, I smell whipsaw. I'd wager that if they had just tossed in the "sure we'll go single carrier" this turkey might have actually at least seen a pilot vote. Instead, they cry broke AND say they want to keep GoJets separate. Either they aren't really broke or they want to play the two groups off each other. Possibly both.

Good luck guys. A lot of that stuff sounds exactly like some of the crap our management has pulled in negotiations here. I've seen a "last best and final offer" at least 3 times just in my time here.
 
While morale is low at work, everyone I speak to share the same thoughts; hold the line and make improvements or burn it down!

Nice attitude. "If there's nothing in it for me, I'm going to ruin it for everyone else" It's no wonder organized labor has such a bad reputation.
 
So, let me get this straight. The company flat out refused to entertain a single carrier status? Yep, I smell whipsaw. I'd wager that if they had just tossed in the "sure we'll go single carrier" this turkey might have actually at least seen a pilot vote. Instead, they cry broke AND say they want to keep GoJets separate. Either they aren't really broke or they want to play the two groups off each other. Possibly both.

Good luck guys. A lot of that stuff sounds exactly like some of the crap our management has pulled in negotiations here. I've seen a "last best and final offer" at least 3 times just in my time here.

When do you guys start negotiating again?

Nice attitude. "If there's nothing in it for me, I'm going to ruin it for everyone else" It's no wonder organized labor has such a bad reputation.


Troll?
 
So, let me get this straight. The company flat out refused to entertain a single carrier status? Yep, I smell whipsaw. I'd wager that if they had just tossed in the "sure we'll go single carrier" this turkey might have actually at least seen a pilot vote. Instead, they cry broke AND say they want to keep GoJets separate. Either they aren't really broke or they want to play the two groups off each other. Possibly both.

Good luck guys. A lot of that stuff sounds exactly like some of the crap our management has pulled in negotiations here. I've seen a "last best and final offer" at least 3 times just in my time here.

But, but, but, but, but...GoJets was created to get around American scope, not whipsaw!!!!!!!!!11!
 
Or, just plain ignorant. Obviously no understanding of the abuse Tran States' pilots have suffered at the hands of their management. Hmmm.... Maybe, he is management....

He was a regional pilot, got out of the industry after a handful of years and is now a school teacher. He's pretty anti union these days, and conversely very pro management.
 
Nice attitude. "If there's nothing in it for me, I'm going to ruin it for everyone else" It's no wonder organized labor has such a bad reputation.

Personally, I see nothing wrong with the Trans States pilots telling management, "Look. We want us and GoJets as one seniority list so you can't furlough us while hiring people off the street for them." If you think that's wrong, well, maybe it's a good thing you left the industry. Like I said, if Trans States management had agreed to one list (even if it was in Republic fashion where they remained on separate certs), it probably would have at least made it to a pilot vote.
 
Uh.. so what are they going to do? Operate two opposing certificates? That doesn't make much sense since in May when the AA flying is over, GJ and TSA will be the same ops(TSA will be able to fly 70+ seaters). Also if you're going to merge the lists, what is the other side saying about it? Under what contract will there be an agreement since it's two separate unions unlike the Freedom/Mesa merger in 03. You can't just merge two unionized lists easily can you?

Also if it is indeed whipsaw, why don't they just merge the lists in the first place force the GJ contract on TSA and be done with the "pesky" TSA pilots once and for all? Wouldn't that be better for the company if they intend on whipsawing their pilots? I'm assuming it's bad business to continue in negs and strikes.
 
Uh.. so what are they going to do? Operate two opposing certificates? That doesn't make much sense since in May when the AA flying is over, GJ and TSA will be the same ops. Also if you're going to merge the lists, what is the other side saying about it? Under what contract will there be an agreement since it's two separate unions unlike the Freedom/Mesa merger in 03. You can't just merge two unionized lists easily can you?

They'll go by Allegheny/Mohawk more than likely since one is ALPA and the other is Teamsters. This is, of course, assuming the TSA pilots are successful in protecting their jobs. I'm sure the GoJets guys would fight to the death to keep the lists separate. It would KILL the growth over there since TSA has so many guys on furlough already. Instead of hiring people off the street at 1st year pay, they'd have to bring back furloughs to fill open positions.
 
They'll go by Allegheny/Mohawk more than likely since one is ALPA and the other is Teamsters. This is, of course, assuming the TSA pilots are successful in protecting their jobs. I'm sure the GoJets guys would fight to the death to keep the lists separate. It would KILL the growth over there since TSA has so many guys on furlough already. Instead of hiring people off the street at 1st year pay, they'd have to bring back furloughs to fill open positions.

I don't think it would kill growth, just new hiring and most would probably want to say on the ERJ side anyways. I don't know, something about this whole thing doesn't make any sense. I understand the whipsaw aspect but two what end? Especially since both certifcates would be elligable for 50+ seat fling in May. I would think merging the lists like Freedom/Mesa would be the ultimate whipsaw then having to deal with opposing certificates one of which is willing to "burn the house down". If I was running a business I would want things to be quiet in the workforce...
 
I noticed alot of Go Jet pilots at KIAD have their badges turned the otherway (I already know the reason).

But I wondered if they knew until it was late................
 
I'm on a trip now, but I've been reading and hearing from other guys that the company has sent out a letter via snail-mail (wow, I actually just used that word) saying that if we/ALPA/MEC don't accept the company's proposal, all Waterskiers will be out of a job. I'm just itching with anticipation to get home and open my mail box.
 
Or, just plain ignorant. Obviously no understanding of the abuse Tran States' pilots have suffered at the hands of their management. Hmmm.... Maybe, he is management or want-a-be....

I assume that TSA pilots are being paid for their work; that no regulations regarding employment are being violated; and that there is no burly overseer beating them with a whip. What abuse do you speak of?

If you are referring to the current state of contract negotiations, then you need to understand that TSA pilots are entitled to nothing other than what their contract stipulates. Nor are they entitled to changes in the contract merely because the amendable date has passed. The RLA allows for changes; it does not require them.

If you are referring to TSA vs. GoJets, the way I see it is that the TSA pilots were offered the flying, and they declined it. The reasons do not matter; it was offered, they declined. So the owner did the only thing he could do: Start a separate certificate and hire other pilots to service the work he needed done. Even then, he offered any TSA pilot who wanted it, a job at GoJets. Most of them declined. They had several opportunities along the way to salvage this situation, but they made other choices instead. And now that they are losing their jobs, they blame their troubles on management?

I am neither "pro-labor" nor "pro-management." I am pro-business. I am pro- entrepeneurship. I believe that free enterprise and the free market provides the best opportunity anyone will ever have to make the most of their talents and skills. I believe that you don't have to like the way a man runs his business, but as long as you accept a paycheck from him, you're obligated to do it his way. His way may be wrong; and he may lose his business because of it, but he's paying the bills so he gets to do it his way.

I've kinda wandered away from my original point, which was prompted by another poster's "Burn The Fu**er Down" attitude. You don't get to do that. You don't like what your employer does? Fine, there's nothing requiring you to stay. Just as a person is free to run his business the way he sees fit, you are equally free to not work there if you don't like it. But you don't get to destroy something merely because you're not getting what you think you're entitled too.
 
, they declined. So the owner did the only thing he could do: Start a separate certificate and hire other pilots to service the work he needed done..

Why? And was that the only thing he could do? Honestly your arguments will not win anybody over. If you're still thinking that Gojet was created for technicality reasons, you are in denial. Look at what is happening now, it's a major whipsaw. Hulas could have easily upped the crappy 05 pay but he chose not to. Why? Because he can do what he's doing right now.
 
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