USMCmech
Well-Known Member
What is up with millitary ATC? Specifically the Air Scouts (I haven't flown into a NAS or MCAS since I was a PPL).
I guess it's a experiance/culture/training issue, and I know they are really trying to help. However, they seem to want to both keep any civilian pilot WAY far away from thier airspace, and want to hold your hand all the way to the runway.
My last straw was this week over Vance. We fly into Enid OK, EVERY NIGHT. But whenever Vance is still open and controlling that sector they will vector you 20-30 miles around their class D. Then, even after I've called the field in sight 3 times, they still give me turns to the runway. I've finally just given up and cancel IFR as soon as they try to turn me, overfly their airspace, and drop hard into Enid. The tower controller at Enid handels it without hesitation, but the Vance controllers got all flustered.
I've gotten similar treatment at most other Air Force bases I've flow into or around. No airforce controller has ever sent me over midfield above the pattern altitude, which is often the simplest way to stay out of everybodys way. Even when I've sugested it, they say they can't do it.
Oh, yeah,
Who was the idiot that decided to paint training aircraft camoflauge grey?
"Traffic 12 oclock, two T-38s, opposite direction, 500 feet below you"
Like, I'm ever going to see them untill it's too late.
I guess it's a experiance/culture/training issue, and I know they are really trying to help. However, they seem to want to both keep any civilian pilot WAY far away from thier airspace, and want to hold your hand all the way to the runway.
My last straw was this week over Vance. We fly into Enid OK, EVERY NIGHT. But whenever Vance is still open and controlling that sector they will vector you 20-30 miles around their class D. Then, even after I've called the field in sight 3 times, they still give me turns to the runway. I've finally just given up and cancel IFR as soon as they try to turn me, overfly their airspace, and drop hard into Enid. The tower controller at Enid handels it without hesitation, but the Vance controllers got all flustered.
I've gotten similar treatment at most other Air Force bases I've flow into or around. No airforce controller has ever sent me over midfield above the pattern altitude, which is often the simplest way to stay out of everybodys way. Even when I've sugested it, they say they can't do it.
Oh, yeah,
Who was the idiot that decided to paint training aircraft camoflauge grey?
"Traffic 12 oclock, two T-38s, opposite direction, 500 feet below you"
Like, I'm ever going to see them untill it's too late.