military Pilots

When I was in tech training at Sheppard, I always got a kick out of those wacky painted-up vehicles that the European military pilot students drove around base
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Sheppard was/is the Euro-Nato Joint Jet Pilot training base, so apparently (the story as I was told) some of the foreign dudes bought some All-American vehicles back in the day to use as crew vehicles (when I was there I specifically remember seeing a old-style 70's GMC van like you would see on CHIPS, and also a monstrous Cadillac Convertable, maybe others too). They painted them up with outrageous, brightly colored graffiti-like artwork, along with some random adornments. Apparently each pilot class would pass these things along to the next junior class...

I have no idea if they're still used today, but this is what I thought about them at the time -->
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I don't know, lately I have been kicking their asses while hanging them upside down in the toilet so I would actually recommend getting comfortable with getting your ass kicked while in the water or during your white washing.

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How soon can you get to Nashville?
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(when I was there I specifically remember seeing a old-style 70's GMC van like you would see on CHIPS, and also a monstrous Cadillac Convertable, maybe others too). :

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You mean the van that always would roll over after jumping another car, and cause the huge freeway wreck in the opening few minutes of EVERY CHiPs episode?
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When I was in tech training at Sheppard, I always got a kick out of those wacky painted-up vehicles that the European military pilot students drove around base
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Sheppard was/is the Euro-Nato Joint Jet Pilot training base, so apparently (the story as I was told) some of the foreign dudes bought some All-American vehicles back in the day to use as crew vehicles (when I was there I specifically remember seeing a old-style 70's GMC van like you would see on CHIPS, and also a monstrous Cadillac Convertable, maybe others too). They painted them up with outrageous, brightly colored graffiti-like artwork, along with some random adornments. Apparently each pilot class would pass these things along to the next junior class...

I have no idea if they're still used today, but this is what I thought about them at the time -->
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there still there!!!
 
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You know, you can get a guaranteed flight slot in the Corps...
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The Aviation Guarantee, I believe, is for Platoon Leaders Course, not NROTC. We didn't guarantee our Marine Corps option midshipmen in NROTC. But in PLC, you do sign an aviation contract before you enter the program. You still need to pass the flight physical, flight aptitude test (4/6/4) You finish the last two years of Marine Corps courses in your college, off to OCS your junior year, and off to TBS after commissioning and graduation. But straight out of NROTC as a Marine Option, you go to TBS and then you compete for an aviation slot with all the other people and it's dependant on ranking out of TBS.

The way TBS does it though is it divides the class into thirds. Top 1/3, middle 1/3, bottom 1/3... They'll take all the billets and divide them by 3. Say there's 15 people in a class, and there are 6 pilot slots and 9 infantry slots available. For the top 1/3 of the class there are only 2 pilots and 3 infantry slots available. So that means if #1 and #2 pick pilot, #3, #4 and #5 get infantry... Now the middle 1/3 picks, there are 2 pilot and 3 infantry slots avail... you get the picture... It gets pretty strategic, so you can get screwed being at the bottom of the top 1/3. People keep taps on their scores and fail classes sometimes to get into the top of the appropriate 1/3 of the class...

If you didn't know what TBS is... it's a mandatory basic infantry officer course for all Marine Corps officers. You learn how to run a rifle platoon, and all the tactics that go into fighting your platoon.... (It does suck going to TBS in the winter.) With an aviation guarantee or sucessfully selecting aviation, after TBS you go to Pensacola for flight training.


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what about the navy? do they guarantee positions like the corps?

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The Navy does not guarantee aviation, but your chances of getting aviation are about 50/50 out of ROTC. If you do NROTC and you go into the Navy you are NOT eligible for 60% of the officer jobs in the Navy... The only jobs you are eligible for are unrestricted line officer jobs, which are aviation, surface, submarines, special warfare, and special operations.

The breakdown of the Naval Academy / Naval ROTC class which goes into these five communities are 10% Marine Corps / 45% aviation / 30% surface / 10 % Submarines / 2% Special Warfare / 2% Special Operations / 1% NPQ.

So your chances of getting aviation is greater going the Naval Academy / NROTC route...

But Air Force has a much better quality of life no matter what you do in the Air Force.
 
thanks woodreau, now what is NROTC? im new to the whole abbrevations and what not. In your opion what would be best, the AF, Corps or Navy? I was just going to go for AF but now im considering all three. I dont know if any one else in here watches practical to tactical but if you do, does any one remeber if he was a pilot of AF or Navy? i think it was AF but im not sure. What out of the three is easiest to get into a pilot slot/ academy? or are they all basicly really tough? Thanks
 
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what is NROTC? im new to the whole abbrevations and what not. In your opion what would be best, the AF, Corps or Navy? I was just going to go for AF but now im considering all three. I dont know if any one else in here watches practical to tactical but if you do, does any one remeber if he was a pilot of AF or Navy? i think it was AF but im not sure. What out of the three is easiest to get into a pilot slot/ academy? or are they all basicly really tough? Thanks

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Sorry for the acronyms and sorry for this long post (you can skip to the end if you want.) NROTC = Naval ROTC, the Navy's version of Air Force ROTC or Army ROTC. There is no Marine Corps ROTC. The Marine Corps gets their officers (a lot of them anyway) thru the Naval Academy and the Naval ROTC program.

If you want to fly in the Air Force, then go to the Air Force Academy or Air Force ROTC. If you want to fly for the Navy, go to the Naval Academy or Naval ROTC. If you want to fly for the Marine Corps, go to the Naval Academy or Naval ROTC as a Marine option.

But it doesn't matter what my opinion is in what is best for you. Only YOU can decide what is best. But it's easier for you to make the decision if you have the right information. Others here have given a lot of information for you to digest. To be honest with you if you're only looking for the path of least resistance to whatever your goals ultimately are then I'd really recommend that you NOT go into the military service as an officer just to be a pilot or anything else. You'd do your airman, sailor, soldier or Marine a disservice as a disinterested, "only looking for the easiest way" kind of officer.

But it is good you are asking these questions now and hopefully you will do the research. I was clueless and rudderless in high school. I saw Top Gun so I was caught up in the wole wanted to "fly F-14's like Maverick did" generation. I did Civil Air Patrol in high school, applied for the Air Force Academy, Air Force ROTC and Naval ROTC and didn't really understand what I was getting into... I didn't do the research so I didn't know that I needed 20/20 vision (at the time) to fly for the Navy. So I was already in Naval ROTC, commited to the obligated military service, and found out that I was not physically qualified for aviation.

I will say that the military has been a good thing for me. In my time in the military, I've learned a lot and gained a lot of experience and done a lot of things most people will never get the chance to do. I'm grateful to have had the opportunity to lead a division and a department of sailors and the rare opportunity to lead a platoon of Marines as a Navy officer. Other military veterans will also probably say the same thing about their experience with the military.

I didn't really understand what it meant to be an officer until I made a few mistakes along the way, with Chief xxx, behind me, kicking me in the butt and having a heart-to-heart sessions about being a leader... Yeah, that CO at ROTC talked about leadership and moral courage and some other mumbo-jumbo that I didn't think was important while I was in ROTC. But when I was faced with the nitty-gritty of leading sailors that's when all that stuff that CO talked about made sense and I gained an appreciation of what being an officer and a leader is and I wished I paid more attention to that mumbo-jumbo. As an officer you make decisions, not a lot as a new boot officer, but more as you go up through the ranks, which affect sailors and their families, e.g. "I'm sorry your grandmother died, but we have an inspection next week and you're our only qualified tech so I can't let you go to her funeral. I know you were really close to her." - That was a failing on my part for not ensuring we had at least another tech just as equally qualified.

My own professional qualifications, driving ships, being proficient in employing ships tactically, controlling fire support, or whatever your job in the military is, is secondary to being a leader.

I can't speak for what pilots in the Air Force do but I'm sure that Air Force pilots have the same additional jobs that pilots in the Navy and Marine Corps do. Pilots in the Navy and Marine Corps do more than just fly planes. They are responsible for leading the sailors who maintain the planes and do the gitty-work that allows them, the pilots, to fly.

The one catchphrase, I remember from the officers and enlisted staff of my ROTC unit. "Take care of your sailors and Marines." It's a simply phrase really, but I discovered very quickly that it's a very simple phrase that covers a lot of territory, drives you to do more than your job description, and helps keep you going when things aren't going well to ensure your sailors and Marines are taken care of.


Anyways, I'm sorry for the long post. I hope that you find what you need to make a decision and wish you Godspeed in whatever you decide to do. If your goal really is to fly and nothing else, you can do it without the military. There's plenty of aviation schools and universities who will take your money and you don't have to worry about Seaman Timmy's wife being distraught over the upcoming deployment to the Arabian Gulf. If your goal is to be a leader and fly on the side, then the military may have something for you.
 
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I can't speak for what pilots in the Air Force do but I'm sure that Air Force pilots have the same additional jobs that pilots in the Navy and Marine Corps do. .

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We're same-same. Same BS additional duties.
 
Has it been said before?? The military is not a shortcut to a civilian career in flying. It is a destination in and of itself. It may later lead to a civilian flying career, but should not be seen as a alternate path.
 
Thanks a lot woody.... that really makes me think about the whole military path. My brother who is in the 101st AirBourne Division for the Army said that if i go to into the military dont go in expecting one thing, cause the military will have a whole differnt route then you want. I'm glad i started this post because now i have a lot of differnt possibilitys to think about and what path to take will be easier to decide. I guess right now my mind for pilot career is on military, I wouldnt want to take someones spot(if i got one) if all i want to do in the long run is be a pilot in civilian. That persons spot that I took could be wanting to be a pilot in the military real bad. Once again thanks for all the help in here and woody that post wasnt long at all! it was very very very helpful thanks!!!!!
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I wouldnt want to take someones spot(if i got one) if all i want to do in the long run is be a pilot in civilian.

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I know everyone probably wants to kill me now as I'm probably repeating a lot of the same that everyone has said... I'm glad you didn't take my last post as a blast against you.

There's nothing wrong with taking someone else's pilot slot if that's what you want. If you want it then it's YOUR pilot slot, not theirs.

Just make sure that when you make your decision, that you make it with the best information available to you and that you understand and accept the risks, benefits, consequences of that decision. As long as you get that info, by asking questions, doing research - researching the civilian route and the military route, then you're making the best informed decision for you...

Sometimes you won't have the time to gather the info to make a decision, but that's not the case here... You've got the rest of high school, well at least until your junior year to decide.

Get those grades up. If you want to go to the academies, you can't really apply for an appointment now as a freshman, but you can find out who you need to go to for an appointment, start with your US Representative and your two Senators. If you have any other connections, don't be afraid to use them to get an appointment.

If you want to do ROTC, get those grades up, start applying for the ROTC scholarships the fall semester of your senior year. The application process closes out Dec of your senior year. I've seen too many high school seniors come in Mar/Apr/May of their senior year looking for ROTC scholarships... they've all been given out by then. For now, start investigating which colleges you want to attend. There are Air Force and Naval ROTC units all over the country.

If you're not in shape, get in shape. Don't have to be a stud, just be physically fit. And know how to swim if you're going Navy or Marine Corps enough so that you can drag someone across the pool both you and them clothed ... As an aviator in the naval service, you'll need to swim with all your flight gear and helmet anyway (I thought Navy PT would be easy, because I mean like they're the Navy... I was never more wrong ... it's run by the Marines. So before the end of the first week of my freshman year in college, I had three strikes against me finishing Navy ROTC successfully... and I was ready to quit ... I was clueless, I couldn't PT, and I didn't know how to swim... the PT and swim got forcefully remediated in the next few weeks.)

About academics, if you go Navy - Academy or ROTC, you need 2 semesters of Calculus, 2 semesters of Calc-based Physics (not the watered down physics) and a foreign language, so at the minimum, at least get familiar with calc and physics in high school if you can. It will help in the long run.

Be flexible with your decisions, but not waffly or wishy-washy, but be prepared to change the decision if new info or circumstances come up that warrants changing your decision.

Don't be worried about things being hard, things that are worth having are hard. Do you have the preserverance and character to succeed when things get tough? Persist, work through it. It helps in civilian or military life.

Although I make it sound as though officers in the military are dedicated, hard-working and always take care of our people, we aren't and don't. Officers are people too, and the military has our share of idiot officers, just like every cross section of life. But unfortunately it's the sailors, soldiers, airmen, and Marines that have to live with the fallout of a bad officer.

These are just my opinions and my views, I have one just like every one has one.

Stay clean, but don't forget to enjoy high school and teenage-life while you're at it.
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I thought Navy PT would be easy, because I mean like they're the Navy... I was never more wrong ... it's run by the Marines.

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LO, Right-a-Leyaft!!
 
Thanks for all that info, its apprecaited! I already have a few colleges in mind but i live in MN and one college i would wnat to go to is in Phoenix, would AF ROTC still pay for most of that or how would that work? since the prices would go up because i dont live in the state.
 
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Thanks for all that info, its apprecaited! I already have a few colleges in mind but i live in MN and one college i would wnat to go to is in Phoenix, would AF ROTC still pay for most of that or how would that work? since the prices would go up because i dont live in the state.

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NROTC pays up to $250,000 of college. Thats usually plenty no matter where you go. AFROTC probably gives about the same.
 
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