Midair at Reno Air races

I'm inclined to agree with Roger here, @bimmerphile though I'd still point out that it's very difficult to argue with KE = 1/2 mv**2.
hard to argue, yes, especially when you are broke and slam on your brakes to avoid a $150 speed camera ticket while in a traffic flow and a dodge ram drives through your back windshield

 
And the infuriating side effect that since so many are paranoid about cameras they refuse to turn right on red even where it’s allowed. Get stuck behind people like that every day when I’m coming home from work.
 
Where I am, there are red light cameras but they aren’t photo ones that issue any tickets; they merely film the intersection. Useful for traffic flow purposes, or to see accidents that occur at the intersection.
 
hard to argue, yes, especially when you are broke and slam on your brakes to avoid a $150 speed camera ticket while in a traffic flow and a dodge ram drives through your back windshield

Sounds like a skill issue.
 
All of this • that you guys bring up is just more and more good reason that infrastructure and society built around making everyone drive is idiotic. All of these problems get way better if you get people out of the rolling cages and onto their feet, bikes, and public transit.
 
All of this • that you guys bring up is just more and more good reason that infrastructure and society built around making everyone drive is idiotic. All of these problems get way better if you get people out of the rolling cages and onto their feet, bikes, and public transit.
Socialist! that’s europe‘s job
 
All of this • that you guys bring up is just more and more good reason that infrastructure and society built around making everyone drive is idiotic. All of these problems get way better if you get people out of the rolling cages and onto their feet, bikes, and public transit.

Nothing we bring up has been an argument against that
 
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I’m in favor of bringing back public flogging for them personally. If I ever run for a political office, this will be my main campaign stance. Also an immediate bullet to the back of the head for those who drive in the HOV lane slower than the normal lanes are moving.
Yeah, but what if you have to illegally cut into the HOV lane cause the regular traffic is backing up. Then you have to get up to speed. That's okay... right? Right??
 
Meanwhile back in Reno
Back in Reno I heard an estimate (that I’m not sure I believe) that the races generated $100 million a year for the local economy. And now it’s gone. Reno is close to Lake Tahoe and some spectacular ski resorts but the only other events they can claim as their own are a rodeo, a balloon race and a car show (Hot August Nights). Oddly enough these events have always been looked at as a lead up to the races. If you like Vegas and think Laughlin is janky you probably shouldn’t go to Reno. I’ve never had a bad time there, but I’ve also never paid to visit. I have stories about hotel sponsors, this post is already too long.
 
I also think that amongst the tumult this thread has turned into I have to say thanks to the fans. My perspective was not normal and we used to have to make sure to keep our tools either locked up or a few feet away from the rope in our pit because people would steal them as souvenirs. I was not always a fan of the fans, I was busy and I probably looked at them as an impediment to what we were trying to do, trying to move the airplane was a cluster fornication. I was young and dumb. We’d get out onto the ramp for a race and it was weird, we weren’t really doing anything but the deadline was packed full of people and cameras. I recall once we were out there waiting in the shade the wings provided and a swarm of bees happened by, I made an ass of myself doing what the 100,000 people must’ve thought was a poor audition as a dancer. I’m sorry if not everyone on the team was friendly, Lyle always was more than happy to spend hours talking with everyone, but it was not unusual to find him napping underneath the trailer. When the airplane was running well we’d be behind the deadline to recover it and watch the race just like everyone else, and the excitement that airplane would cause in the crowd would make the hair on the back of my neck stand up. If you ever supported the races or were ever a fan of the Bearcat I’d like to say Thanks, I had no idea what it meant to anyone outside of our little group when it was actually happening.
 
I should also mention that while the airplane did carry gallons of liquid nitrous we rarely used it. I think that's perhaps the biggest myth about the Bearcat. The airplane had nitrous, but it was almost never used in a race.
 
30K+/- deaths on the roadways every year. Of course, car travel is a norm and, generally, necessary within our culture; still, 4 deaths - however tragic - over a dozen years seems almost irrelevant if one compares it to travel by automobile, no?

4 compared to, roughly 320K?|

I'm sorry for the families of the four, but good gawd amighty, the rate/frequency seems inconsequential unless one really, really just hates air shows.

No requirement, of course, to reply, but why the focus on such a minimal loss vis-a-vis daily reality on the roadways, by fire and accident, or even suicide?
Statistically, this reminds me of 9/11.

Seriously.

Driving... Literally off-the-chart the MOST dangerous activity in which any "normal" human will ever engage... though trans-fats and sugar and fentynal and mass shootings are coming on strong in the back stretch.


Driving kills. But it's so "normal" that nobody notices. The "news" likes the anomalies. If it bleeds, it leads. And the BIG lottery results ALWAYS get reported. The general state of "news" consumption these days reminds me of folks who leave milk on their porch every night and wonder why their homes are inundated by cats.
 
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The $100 million dollar number was a result of a University of Nevada - Reno “survey”.

In the absence of an audit by a big name auditing company, I’m going to resist laughing. In 2010, Kentucky hosted the World Equestrian Games, the horse Olympics. The organizer provided silly economic impact numbers that few questioned. As it turned out, a UK Football home game on the same same day as Keeneland (race track) horse racing exceeded the impact of the entire World Equestrian Games.

These friendly surveys are usually self-serving and inflated. Some common issues:

- What’s the paid attendance versus total attendance?

- How did they count total attendance for a multi-day event? Commonly, they count person-days. If you attend two days, you count for two people. This is sometimes useful, as it helps calculate food and lodging revenue but it’s a bit deceitful.

- They often assume everybody is staying at a hotel and buying expensive meals, ignoring folks that commuted to the event and ate fast food or stayed in a crappy hotel an hour away.

- With regards to sponsors, the value of in-kind goods and services are often inflated.

- With regards to lodging, they assume that nobody else would take those rooms. It’s possible that hotels would be at 90% regardless.

- Revenue impact claims often ignore additional taxpayer expenses for fire, police, etc.

I have attended two Reno races and I’m not sure that Reno really noticed. The Reno races died because it’s a pretty mediocre event. It’s like an expensive airshow where the aircraft are avoiding the audience.

I loved the pits, the pre-race sights, sounds, and smells. The racing, not so much. For those watching streaming coverage, the production kinda sucked. Reminds me of broadcasts of high school football games.

With the right production, it could be a great TV event, no live audience required.

Red Bull did a nice job with their racing series and lost interest. It wasn’t a financial thing, they just lost interest.


Personally I think one of the mistakes that RARA has made is that the era of the unlimiteds has been over since the mid 00's. The guy who knew how to build the really hot Merlins had a stroke and then passed away, IIRC, and much like my great grandma he never told anybody the whole recipe. It took years for others to learn how to keep them from letting the insides go free, and those engines are rare. For a while I thought they might actually grenade all of them. In the meantime a couple of the really fast airplanes were sold and fell into financial difficulty and by the time everything was mostly healthy again some of the big players could no longer afford it and it had just become a parade. There were a couple good years and then came the crash.

Meanwhile... in sport class they've increased speeds to the point where they're almost keeping up with the unlimiteds!

The focus should have changed years ago... keep the unlimiteds, sure, but promote the hell out of the class that's actually making progress and setting lap records!

I'll miss hearing a spicy merlin or a beef -3350 going by at full chat but at the end of the day I want to see racing, and sport class has it in spades.

As for red bull.... boooooooring.
 
Personally I think one of the mistakes that RARA has made is that the era of the unlimiteds has been over since the mid 00's. The guy who knew how to build the really hot Merlins had a stroke and then passed away, IIRC, and much like my great grandma he never told anybody the whole recipe. It took years for others to learn how to keep them from letting the insides go free, and those engines are rare. For a while I thought they might actually grenade all of them. In the meantime a couple of the really fast airplanes were sold and fell into financial difficulty and by the time everything was mostly healthy again some of the big players could no longer afford it and it had just become a parade. There were a couple good years and then came the crash.

Meanwhile... in sport class they've increased speeds to the point where they're almost keeping up with the unlimiteds!

The focus should have changed years ago... keep the unlimiteds, sure, but promote the hell out of the class that's actually making progress and setting lap records!

I'll miss hearing a spicy merlin or a beef -3350 going by at full chat but at the end of the day I want to see racing, and sport class has it in spades.

As for red bull.... boooooooring.
Without reading any of this very carefully, or much at all... I'd just request that we all be honest about, er, humanity.
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People watch "sports" like football, and car racing, and airplane racing, and downhill ski racing, and NASA (or even Musk) rocket launches... precisely because they want to see THE CRASH... vicariously. Otherwise, all that stuff is kinda like watching paint dry, eh?

In the words of Pepsi, and Coke, and Hollywood, and Cancer Treatment Centers of 'Murica, and Fox News, and Donald Trump... we've GOT to give the people what they WANT!!!
 
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