Mid-Air Intercept by ICE

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It would be interesting to know why they singled out your aircraft... here's some thoughts I had on it.
Is there a history of you, or the other owner treating FBO workers poorly at SDL?
Angry ex business partner, spouse, other associated person?
If not maybe someone at SDL has noticed a strange container traveling with you when you go on trips out of town, not many people are familiar with the idea of someone carrying a container of animal semen around.
Maybe one of them asked what the container was for and you told them that you breed Arabian horses, and according to the training they recieved they are required to report the situation as suspicious?

Just some thoughts.
 
I'm sorry but I think it's wrong someone can think your rude and have you intercepted and searched. What about the 100s of pax going through TEB with epic amounts of luggage? An SR 22?

Yeah big weight homie, big weight.
 
Beep said:
It would be interesting to know why they singled out your aircraft... here's some thoughts I had on it..........
Maybe one of them asked what the container was for and you told them that you breed Arabian horses, and according to the training they recieved they are required to report the situation as suspicious?

Just some thoughts.
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Although I've almost always enjoyed courteous encounters with LEOs myself, the policies and procedures they are instructed to follow by their bureaucracies do worry me. The FBI's CAT Program (Communities Against Terrorism) has reportedly been assembling these flyers in an attempt to encourage businesses to report what DHS considers "suspicious activity." Things like paying for coffee with cash, yawning, or seeking privacy. I understand that there are indicators that trained LEO's may look for in selected situations, as indicators. But apparenty, their goal is to get average Joe's to start turning-in other average Joes for suspicious activity. I just have to wonder where this is taking us.

At the bottom of this one Brochure (for Internet Cafe Barristas) it gives a number they want them to call, and then say the word "tripwire." (I just called to report BigWaveDave's post. That looked very suspicious to me.)
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I have not found "horse semen" containers on this list yet, but it wouldn't surprise me if it showed up in the next FBI CAT Program Brochure.
http://publicintelligence.net/fbi-suspicious-activity-reporting-flyers/


(The Brochures instruct us to get suspects' license plate numbers. Does anyone know BigWaveDave's license plate number? They want me to call them back. :) )

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and most people outside of the horse community wouldn't know what it looked liked or they may just think your are lying.

you'd be suprised what a pissed off Ex can.

At brand X a pissed off FA accoused a pilot of rape. It was later proven that the pilot was innocent and the FA was charged with making a false police report. However the pilot and FA were both terminated by brand X. Since the pilot was on probation he was SOL in getting his job back.
 
BigWaveDave said:
One of the examples from the Preditory Female was a false involvement of the police so there is drug search of your car.
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Problem is, word from someone of alleged drugs in your car is heresay, and heresay doesn't constitute PC to search. The police would have to have absolutely nothing else to do, to go off someone's word and begin pursuing something like that and try to get PC to search. Im sure it's happened, but my point is that it isn't something easy or common as people think.
 
MikeD said:
Problem is, word from someone of alleged drugs in your car is heresay, and heresay doesn't constitute PC to search. The police would have to have absolutely nothing else to do, to go off someone's word and begin pursuing something like that and try to get PC to search. Im sure it's happened, but my point is that it isn't something easy or common as people think.
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Fortunately I wouldn't know
 
MikeD said:
Problem is, word from someone of alleged drugs in your car is heresay, and heresay doesn't constitute PC to search. The police would have to have absolutely nothing else to do, to go off someone's word and begin pursuing something like that and try to get PC to search. Im sure it's happened, but my point is that it isn't something easy or common as people think.
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Let me pose this question to you then. Say that someone says I have a bag of weed in my car. LEO asks to search it and tells me he has PC to do so. I say no you can't and he proceeds to do so anyways and finds a haggis in my car. Would that evidence be admissible in court?

Now say that a LEO gets a tip that I am running an illegal brothel. They come with just the tip and search my house. Still not PC?l and still not admissible?

Third scenario. Say they get a tip that I am about to murder someone and the break down my door and find me loading my gun, but that in and of itself isn't a crime. Still not PC?
 
mshunter said:
Let me pose this question to you then. Say that someone says I have a bag of weed in my car. LEO asks to search it and tells me he has PC to do so. I say no you can't and he proceeds to do so anyways and finds a haggis in my car. Would that evidence be admissible in court?

Now say that a LEO gets a tip that I am running an illegal brothel. They come with just the tip and search my house. Still not PC?l and still not admissible?

Third scenario. Say they get a tip that I am about to murder someone and the break down my door and find me loading my gun, but that in and of itself isn't a crime. Still not PC?
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Man....you sure get in alot of trouble. :D

First scenario. If LEO has PC to search, he's not going to bother to ask for consent. He's going to simply search your vehicle. He will have to clearly articulate what his PC was for any evidence found to be admissable.

Second scenario. Can't search on a tip only.

Third scenario. Again, based on a tip only, they're not going to bust down your door.
 
Beep said:
It would be interesting to know why they singled out your aircraft... here's some thoughts I had on it.
Is there a history of you, or the other owner treating FBO workers poorly at SDL?
Angry ex business partner, spouse, other associated person?
If not maybe someone at SDL has noticed a strange container traveling with you when you go on trips out of town, not many people are familiar with the idea of someone carrying a container of animal semen around.
Maybe one of them asked what the container was for and you told them that you breed Arabian horses, and according to the training they recieved they are required to report the situation as suspicious?

Just some thoughts.
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A history of poor treatment? Not on my part, and none that they have informed me of. I have a very loose association with my business partner, which has raised eyebrows amongst forum members, but it works for me. I've got a solid working relationship with the guys at the FBO, and I'd assume would have heard about his being prickish which he has been to me. Confused? ;)
I've got a great relationship with my ex-wife. Ex-gf maybe, but few people know about the logistics of the airplane. Meaning, they know I have one, but know little else.
The animal semen container is a great point, and one I have not considered. It's possible. I also fly with another business partner who is in the human tissue industry selling allografts and we fly those around in styrofoam containers. Those may have raised a flag, but we fly out of a hanger, and not many prying eyes.

Again, all of it is suspect at this point, and I haven't heard back from the FAA. So.... I just hope we can glean some good gouge from this about how to handle these situations going forward.
 
it doesn't suprise me anymore to see some agency watching an aircraft. I see TSA all the way down to local law enforcement watching aircraft in plain view and sometime more covertly at long distances...
 
Bandit_Driver said:
it doesn't suprise me anymore to see some agency watching an aircraft. I see TSA all the way down to local law enforcement watching aircraft in plain view and sometime more covertly at long distances...
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We have to deal with TSA on the cargo ramp. I have been told stories that they'll switch badges between each other.
 
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