mesaba pilots have tentative deal..

higney85 said:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061029/ap_on_bi_ge/mesaba_labor_2


I am interested in hearing the details... for those guys I'm glad they may still have jobs but on the other hand I hope they didn't sell short and possibly send a shockwave to fellow regional management teams..
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Same here. If they went too low ball and it gets approved, you can kiss those 76 seaters management was talking about in your new hire class goodbye. It'll be interesting to see over here in the Red Tail family in the next couple of months...
 
Kellwolf- I am extremely eager to see what deal the pilots are eyeballing from mesaba mgmt.. my thoughts/concerns stem from the competition between PNCL and mesaba to be cheaper. If mesaba goes lowball and gets some of our CRJ's that could be very bad for all (especially me since I'm very low on the seniority list...) A new hire class starts tommorrow though so at least a few would go with me! The pncl contract negs will also be impacted by mesaba so this could be bad after we just stood tall with them at the picket line. Who knows what will happen.. On the other hand mesaba is still in the red with 2 other unions still not on the same page as mgmt, in addition to the pilots who haven't signed the contract yet. I guess we all get to sit back and watch the continuation of this soap opera known as mesaba.
 
higney85 said:
I guess we all get to sit back and watch the continuation of this soap opera known as mesaba.
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Actually, the soap opera involved all of little redtail. What do you think is going to happen to your contract negotiations if mesaba agrees to a low payrate? You'd better start deciding how you are going to vote if your management comes to you for a rate for the 76 seaters that is lower then mesaba.
 
Does one go with the appeal and hope another judge rules that you can strike or does one try to go with a negotiated TA as long as it's better than the terms which could be imposed? What a lose-lose situation.
 
Well, unless a TA comes out after March (which I'm HOPING it doesn't take that long, but who knows. Look at ASA), I couldn't vote anyway.

I'm dusting off the ole resume and looking at other possibilities right now. I'm HOPING we don't strike/furlough/work for peanuts, but I don't want to be caught on my heels if that happens.

HOPEFULLY, the TA at Mesaba includes some snapbacks for growth, otherwise there might be some pilot working hard for very little cash while management rakes in the bonuses for several years....
 
kellwolf said:
Well, unless a TA comes out after March (which I'm HOPING it doesn't take that long, but who knows. Look at ASA), I couldn't vote anyway.

I'm dusting off the ole resume and looking at other possibilities right now. I'm HOPING we don't strike/furlough/work for peanuts, but I don't want to be caught on my heels if that happens.

HOPEFULLY, the TA at Mesaba includes some snapbacks for growth, otherwise there might be some pilot working hard for very little cash while management rakes in the bonuses for several years....
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I realized on day 1 at this regional that my resume cannot collect dust. I just hope to get through training and get at least a little time in type before I need to send it out again. There is still alot of pieces of the mesaba puzzle that need to get put into place before we see whats actually going on over there.
 
If we were all smart we'd quit and go fly freight :D. I don't see this stuff ending any time soon. If there was an Ameriflight east-coast style I'd already be there.

US Air has already stated it wants to get rid of it's 50 seaters. CRJ200's are going the way of the B1900. Unfortunately, that is all my company operates. @#%*.
 
kellwolf said:
Aren't ya glad that your company owns a part of US Air, though. :)
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That doesn't mean anything - they are selling off their stock holdings while they can get a premium for it. The flying has 8 more years left on it - not that it will affect me so much (hopefully I'll be gone by then...) but I would like to get that PIC sooner rather then later.
 
wheelsup said:
US Air has already stated it wants to get rid of it's 50 seaters. CRJ200's are going the way of the B1900. Unfortunately, that is all my company operates. @#%*.
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Is this going to open up even small sub-regional airlines to run the CRJ200, or could they go over to fractionals or sport charters?
 
ComplexHiAv8r said:
Is this going to open up even small sub-regional airlines to run the CRJ200, or could they go over to fractionals or sport charters?
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I see them becoming "cheap" corporate birds. The economics of the plane just aren't there for scheduled service IMO.

Although, the more on the market the cheaper they become, thus lowering their lease costs, thus lowering their operating costs.
 
Kellwolf, when i heard Tom Wychor speak last time, he said the contract the union is offering had snap back provisions for each plane that came on property. So by they time it gets back to same no. of planes they had before the tave-sham-ockery BK, they contract would be up to what it was. Did that make sense?

I still stand by my idea that the E-175s will go to XJ, and compass will never be anything more than a negotiating tool.
 
blee256 said:
I still stand by my idea that the E-175s will go to XJ, and compass will never be anything more than a negotiating tool.
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The geniuses over at APC would argue you on that one. . . as much as I hope you are correct there are a dozen gentlemen over at APC waiting for Compass to actually have an interview date. . . scary.
 
If Compass does come around (and I'm with Brian on this one, I think it's a negotiating tool that's done its job), then they'll get the Embraers, Mesaba will get the CRJ-900s and we'll lose flying. That's IF the Mesaba TA gets approved and IF Compass actually flies. Weren't they already supposed to be flying IAD-MSP?!??!
 
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