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bike21
9-5 Ruins Lives
Hilarious Don! Reminds me why I only hang out at JC so I don't have to consume such moronic thoughts at those 'other sites'
dvtpilot
Well-Known Member
All I can say is that I have not shared the same views as those on the internet. I can also say that the majority of the people I've run into while working at MAG are not of the "Burn it down" mentality. Yes, we are aware that we have issues, and yes we know that we have management problems.
Things are beginning to look up though with some changes coming down the pike sometime soon. Not going to mention any specifics here. The current contract is pretty bad, but the new one will be better. (And don't give me any smartass "well it cant get any worse" remarks) I doubt it'll be industry leading, but at least on par to where it should be.
Yes, 8-10 days off per month are standard ops. But, if you come here, you should come here knowing what youre getting into......don't act surprised. It's a place to get your times up, upgrade fairly quick and get out. Nothing more, nothing less.
Ok, now that I'm sure I've offended someone out there.....let the flaming begin.
Things are beginning to look up though with some changes coming down the pike sometime soon. Not going to mention any specifics here. The current contract is pretty bad, but the new one will be better. (And don't give me any smartass "well it cant get any worse" remarks) I doubt it'll be industry leading, but at least on par to where it should be.
Yes, 8-10 days off per month are standard ops. But, if you come here, you should come here knowing what youre getting into......don't act surprised. It's a place to get your times up, upgrade fairly quick and get out. Nothing more, nothing less.
Ok, now that I'm sure I've offended someone out there.....let the flaming begin.
inside0ut
Well-Known Member
I dont think that anyone will flame....
If people would search the many posts on here about Mesa, I think they would get a good understanding of how that place is. Yes, its messed up like a soup sandwich, and yes some people will ask and not listen but hey, thats up to them. I also dont think that you have to be LAMA to have an opinion about them, since honestly, just about every story you have heard of them is true.
Bog
New Member
I spent 7 years at MAG. I'd say I know a bit more about life at MAG than those who've been there 6 months.
Do not go there. Do not. Have some respect for yourself. There are now, and always have been, people at MAG who will tell you that it's a great place to work. They do not understand that they should be infuriated by the constant abuse of the contract, pilots, and flight attendants. For some reason, they don't grasp the concept that dirty, broken airplane is NOT what an airline should operate. They just can't see that repeat MELs, used to avoid spending $25 to fix a problem, is not the SAFE and EFFICIENT way to operate any kind of aircraft.
What airline had a CRJ2 shred an engine because their mechanics used an outdated procedure that even GE said wasn't a good idea? MAG.
What airline had a CRJ2 shred a TR because the majority of the mechanics do NOT know how to properly rig and lube a TR? MAG.
What airline will NOT pay you for weather delays, maintenance cancellations (yeah yeah don't buy into the "we get paid when the company lies and says we completed 97.5% of our flights" line of crap), dropped flying, etc? You're getting it now ... MAG.
Stay away. For the love of all that's good in this world stay away. There are a number of QUALITY airlines that believe in respecting their flight crews. They're all hiring. Go to one of them, not to MAG.
Oh, and what is the only regional airline whose former employees PROUDLY display stickers proclaiming their escape from said former employer? MAG. Pilots will quit places like Skywest, Comair, Air Whisky, ExpressJet, etc. Pilots ESCAPE from MAG.
Do not go there. Do not. Have some respect for yourself. There are now, and always have been, people at MAG who will tell you that it's a great place to work. They do not understand that they should be infuriated by the constant abuse of the contract, pilots, and flight attendants. For some reason, they don't grasp the concept that dirty, broken airplane is NOT what an airline should operate. They just can't see that repeat MELs, used to avoid spending $25 to fix a problem, is not the SAFE and EFFICIENT way to operate any kind of aircraft.
What airline had a CRJ2 shred an engine because their mechanics used an outdated procedure that even GE said wasn't a good idea? MAG.
What airline had a CRJ2 shred a TR because the majority of the mechanics do NOT know how to properly rig and lube a TR? MAG.
What airline will NOT pay you for weather delays, maintenance cancellations (yeah yeah don't buy into the "we get paid when the company lies and says we completed 97.5% of our flights" line of crap), dropped flying, etc? You're getting it now ... MAG.
Stay away. For the love of all that's good in this world stay away. There are a number of QUALITY airlines that believe in respecting their flight crews. They're all hiring. Go to one of them, not to MAG.
Oh, and what is the only regional airline whose former employees PROUDLY display stickers proclaiming their escape from said former employer? MAG. Pilots will quit places like Skywest, Comair, Air Whisky, ExpressJet, etc. Pilots ESCAPE from MAG.
Screaming_Emu
Well-Known Member
In my opinion, its reasoning like this that allows them to bend you over even further. "Well, it sucks, but I knew about it before hand"
"I doubt it'll be industry leading, but at least on par to where it should be"
WTF dude, even the industry leading contract with the regionals isn't on par with what it SHOULD be.
Was discussing this with JTrain and the way he put it is 100% correct. Saying "I knew about it beforehand that we had problems" is like saying "I put on this really skimpy dress, so it's ok I got raped!" Most definitely not OK
WAFlyBoy
Well-Known Member
I disagree. The risk of getting raped because you wore a skimpy dress and Clinique Happy to the rave is much smaller than the risk of getting raped from working for Mesa. Wearing the dress, there's no reasonable expectation that this will happen. However, the pilot who goes to work for Mesa today has no reason to expect he'll be able to sit down without wincing six months from now. Quite the contrary.
While you certainly should consider the source when getting the views of somebody who has been there 6 months, also consider the source from somebody who spent SEVEN YEARS, count that, SEVEN YEARS there.
So apparently it's OK for "Bog" to be there for SEVEN YEARS to get the experience and PIC time that led to the next job, but it's not OK for *YOU* to go there and get that experience, because, ...... well that hasn't yet been explained.
xdashdriver
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I was at MAG for 3 years and compared to most had a pretty easy ride. I ended up changing careers, in large part because of my experience there.
I agree with every point BOG made. What BOG is trying to say is that there are OTHER places to get your flight time, experience, blah blah blah. You don't HAVE to go to Mesa. If you chose Mesa and are there now, putting in your time, then so be it...but for those trying to make up their minds...Mesa should be at or very close to the bottom of your list.
Bog is a highly respected member of the LAMA community and his pearls of wisdom should be given considerable weight. Contrary to CFIse's JO-like spin on Bog's experience, Mesa wannabe's should consider that he probably "saw it all" during those 7 years. Most likely, Bog stayed at Mesa as long as he did for many reasons OTHER than he liked it there or it was "OK" to be there. If his experience was anything like mine, his job at Mesa was probably a HUGE source of stress in his life. Once some of you have gained a little more experience in the aviation world, you'll understand why Bog, and I, and others made the decisions we did.
I agree with every point BOG made. What BOG is trying to say is that there are OTHER places to get your flight time, experience, blah blah blah. You don't HAVE to go to Mesa. If you chose Mesa and are there now, putting in your time, then so be it...but for those trying to make up their minds...Mesa should be at or very close to the bottom of your list.
Bog is a highly respected member of the LAMA community and his pearls of wisdom should be given considerable weight. Contrary to CFIse's JO-like spin on Bog's experience, Mesa wannabe's should consider that he probably "saw it all" during those 7 years. Most likely, Bog stayed at Mesa as long as he did for many reasons OTHER than he liked it there or it was "OK" to be there. If his experience was anything like mine, his job at Mesa was probably a HUGE source of stress in his life. Once some of you have gained a little more experience in the aviation world, you'll understand why Bog, and I, and others made the decisions we did.
bike21
9-5 Ruins Lives
So I just spent a few minutes perusing this...
http://mesahub.com/wordpress/
Anyone wishing to work for such an organization is on crack. Stay away folks. My last two FOs were former Mesa pilots and I heard some crazy stories on those trips. Stay away.
http://mesahub.com/wordpress/
Anyone wishing to work for such an organization is on crack. Stay away folks. My last two FOs were former Mesa pilots and I heard some crazy stories on those trips. Stay away.
As a LAMA I can tell you that anyone that defends Mesa and/or hopes for a better contract from Jonathan Ornstein is dillusional at best. Don't defend ignorance, nor should you work for ignorance.
Just the fact that you only have 8 days off a month there is disgusting.
I deeply regret wasting 6 months of my life there and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. I should have flight instructed for 6 months more (or however long) and went to a quality employer that respects me. I am here at XJT now and enjoy it, I just regret wasting time at Mesa and lining JO's pocket on the way here.
Anyone with any aspirations to apply there, please PM me. I don't know what else I can do to try to help this profession other than steering people away from bottom feeder no good employers.
Just the fact that you only have 8 days off a month there is disgusting.
I deeply regret wasting 6 months of my life there and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. I should have flight instructed for 6 months more (or however long) and went to a quality employer that respects me. I am here at XJT now and enjoy it, I just regret wasting time at Mesa and lining JO's pocket on the way here.
Anyone with any aspirations to apply there, please PM me. I don't know what else I can do to try to help this profession other than steering people away from bottom feeder no good employers.
E6BAV8R
Well-Known Member
What is your point? Does he anywhere say he no longer works for them; It doesn't matter who he works for either way, all he is saying now is that he doesn't recommend them for an employer at the current moment.
If he really hated it that much do you really thing he would spend 7 years there just to get another regional job?
WalterSobchak
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SoCalAprch
Well-Known Member
Don't have any experience so this is more of an educated guess but, their work rules are horrible, the company treats you like dirt, and management is doing illegal stuff. Just a couple that I have picked up on just from reading. Its a bad sign when people are leaving in droves just to goto other regionals. With the value of seniority in this industry a lateral move to another regional just shows how terrible it is over there.
Bog
New Member
Well, it's good to see that you're still on Johnny's payroll. What a shocker that you, as usual, are trying to discredit me. Since you asked...
I started at MAG in Jan 2000. At that point, the majors were hiring like crazy, and the key to getting there was PIC as fast as possible. MAG was the way, and it really was not a bad place at that point. Jump to 9/11 ... no-one's hiring, everyone's stuck at the regionals, upgrade goes from 1 1/2 years to 6, and you can see that I was going to be stuck at MAG for awhile. I upgraded 6 months after my seniority could hold the left seat because I wanted to be READY for the left seat, not upgrade because I could. Once I hit 1000 PIC turbine, I interviewed at Citation Shares. They didn't hire me. I kept flying the line, looking for a place to work that didn't require dropping $8000 on a type rating. Oh, and at that time, friends with 4000 PIC turbine weren't getting hired, either. Almost a year goes by, Allegiant interviews me. Didn't hire me. I bet that makes you happy. A few months later, I finally escaped and got my 135 job.
So you see, I never claimed it was "OK" for me to spend 7 years at MAG. I add that in because it means I have EXPERIENCED MAG in a way that you never will until you get off the 11th floor. People looking to start their airline career want reliable, accurate information about the airlines who are hiring. They don't want smoke, mirrors, and your sunshine-up-the-arse. They want honest opinions from people who speak the truth.
For those still even considering MAG for employment: I do not have a single friend at MAG who is happy. A buddy who just upgraded on the CRJ is taking a contract job in China to get away. Three buddies are about to outright quit their CAPTAIN jobs and go work at Home Depot or Lowe's. Rumors are starting to float about a new contract that's supposed to be "industry leading." Yeah right. If that happens, MAG will be sold within 6 months of its signing, and the contract will become worthless. United has found a way to start replacing MAG aircraft. US Airways excercises every option to elimitate MAG aircraft. go! is failing. The Chinese JV has failed. The CEO files frivolous lawsuits at random individuals who speak poorly of him on the internet simply to shut them up (Google or Yahoo "Mesa vs Mike Uslan, oh and don't forget about Holly at planebiz).
Every company will always have management plants who have the capability of putting a positive spin on the plague. Do not believe them.
Bog
New Member
My wife would argue that one.
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Well it seems I touched a VERY SENSITIVE nerve with an earlier post. I wanted to edit out the random first name I posted, but I cannot, so I'll ask the moderators and admins to do so. I tried to reply to the nasty PM this person sent to me, but he is choosing not to receive PMs from me anymore. So, I must reply to him in public. I will spare the rest of you and not post his PM.
CFIse: I do not know your name because of MesaHub. If you remember, CFIse was NEVER a VERIFIED pilot on MesaHub. You never chose to become one. Thus, I cannot have learned your first name that way.
As for the second half of your PM, it was quite unprofessional. We'll leave it at that.
