Mesa votes no

jtrain609 said:
Wait...you...what? Don't you work at "bottom feeding" PSA? You can't tell the world to ingest a large bag of phallic objects about your decisions to go to a regional that is nearly universally hated, and then cheer another regional voting down a contract.
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Isn't that his 1st amendment right? 8)
 
I didn't know much about it, but I did see their "show me the money" calculator and it wasn't impressive.
 
jtrain609 said:
Wait...you...what? Don't you work at "bottom feeding" PSA?

You can't tell the world to ingest a large bag of phallic objects about your decisions to go to a regional that is nearly universally hated, and then cheer another regional voting down a contract.
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Why not?

I came to PSA for more than just a couple reasons. The main being that it would offer me the best QOL. And I'm not sure if you noticed, but I've been pretty vocal about us making improvements here. People's vitriol towards PSA in all honesty, is almost nonsensical. Do I agree with their vote a couple of years ago? No. But that's not going to stop me from working somewhere that is best for me and my family and it's certainly not going to stop me from trying to improve things while I'm here.

And yes, good for you Mesa. I'm happy you voted down that paltry TA. I hope my own pilot group has the sense to do the same with our upcoming TA.
 
I'm not sure I know what this means, when Mesa is turning stuff down it either means that it's really bad or tides are changing, maybe a bit of both. Regardless, it's interesting in the industry right now. I hope I get out before I'm directly affected by whatever it might be.
 
Ajax said:
I'm not sure I know what this means, when Mesa is turning stuff down it either means that it's really bad or tides are changing, maybe a bit of both. Regardless, it's interesting in the industry right now. I hope I get out before I'm directly affected by whatever it might be.
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The problem of course is that for places like Mesa and Republic, there is no more money in the banana stand. Regionals have bid with such thin margins for such a long time (to capture flying) there just isn't room for more pilot pay under the current system.

That leaves three options.

1) The regional goes to the mainline operator and says we need more money to cover out costs. (with probably very little success until EVERY regional providing feed has done the same thing)

2) The pilots take a contract based off of what a company can actually pay and not what they are actually worth.

3) The company goes out of business (because they can't staff)

Option 1 won't be happening because we are rapidly approaching the price point where it makes sense for the major to do the flying themselves and because there are still regionals with low enough overhead that they can continue to operate on the very thin margins of FFD.

Option 2 doesn't seem to be happening as pilots see how much money the major carriers are making and assume that a piece of that pie should be for them.

Option 3 hasn't happened yet as there are still, for a little bit longer anyway, plenty of stary eyed newbies who want to get into a jet.
 
BobDDuck said:
The problem of course is that for places like Mesa and Republic, there is no more money in the banana stand. Regionals have bid with such thin margins for such a long time (to capture flying) there just isn't room for more pilot pay under the current system.

That leaves three options.

1) The regional goes to the mainline operator and says we need more money to cover out costs. (with probably very little success until EVERY regional providing feed has done the same thing)

2) The pilots take a contract based off of what a company can actually pay and not what they are actually worth.

3) The company goes out of business (because they can't staff)

Option 1 won't be happening because we are rapidly approaching the price point where it makes sense for the major to do the flying themselves and because there are still regionals with low enough overhead that they can continue to operate on the very thin margins of FFD.

Option 2 doesn't seem to be happening as pilots see how much money the major carriers are making and assume that a piece of that pie should be for them.

Option 3 hasn't happened yet as there are still, for a little bit longer anyway, plenty of stary eyed newbies who want to get into a jet.
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Which is why I hope to get out before it starts hitting the fan
 
jtrain609 said:
Leaving the airlines?
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quite possibly

and just to add, it's not because I'm bitter or I hate my job. I'm very happy with where I am and what I've done. Ever since I was 5 I've wanted to be an airline pilot and I'm happy to be able to put a check in that box of my life goals. I guess what I mean to say is that I have accepted that this may not be my retirement profession.

I've met some awesome people, had some awesome trips, had a lot of fun and met a lot of friends I hope to keep in touch with for years to come. but I'm definitely open to the possibility of a job outside of the profession and maybe even the field. I'm looking at what's best for me and my family
 
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