Mesa getting desperate: PACE requirements down to 200 TT !!!

MikeOH58 said:
That said. Does Mesa PACE program produce what it claims? Are they really putting 91% of these guys through with those mininum hours?
Click to expand...

Historically, the average pass rate is somewhere in the 70%-80% range for the PACE'ers. The PACE guys/gals honestly aren't nearly as strong as the ab initios in their flying skills as well as general knowledge.

They might have had a better semester than others, either due to the quality of graduates or Mesa's lowering of the "bar" to accept more people to fill seats, but average is much lower than than 90% for PACE.

Aside from chitty work conditions, turbine time is turbine time, no? And it sounds like this is the fastest route.
Click to expand...

I know it seems hard to fathom, but in my personal opinion it would be much better and faster in the long run to find a good school to do your ratings at and then CFI there. You will make much more money, build more time, and have much better control over your schedule while building time to move to the next level. Yes, turbine time is turbine time, but let me say this. Chances are if you are hired @ Mesa at 200-220 hours, you will only log 300-500 hours in that first year (which you have to stay a year because of the training contract). Every single entry level regional that will hire you from Mesa will also hire you from your CFI/135 job! Turbine time when you have 600-1000 TT doesn't mean much because the only place you can go from there with those few amount of hours is another regional.

The other option is to instruct at a good school. You will fly considerably more, I flew almost 1000 hours in 12 months as a CFI. You will also earn considerably more money if you are at a good school, and you will have much better control over your schedule. After <1 year of doing that, you can have your pick of regionals to go to.

Which sounds better to you?

The only people that think Mesa's programs were a good opportunity were the people that were hired at low time and have no idea what a good instructing job is like and have no idea how weak the Mesa contract really is compared to other companies.
 
MikeOH58 said:
Aside from chitty work conditions, turbine time is turbine time, no? And it sounds like this is the fastest route.
Click to expand...

Multiple people have given you multiple reason not to go. If you still need/want more reasons why this and other similar programs are a bad thing do a search.

Which means at this point you're either dumb (I doubt it as you manage to write in fairly complete sentences) or you're a troll.
 
pilot602 said:
Multiple people have given you multiple reason not to go. If you still need/want more reasons why this and other similar programs are a bad thing do a search.

Which means at this point you're either dumb (I doubt it as you manage to write in fairly complete sentences) or you're a troll.
Click to expand...

602, with all due respect, I don't think this is a fair statement. He's asking intelligent questions - the problem is that the answers lead to more questions. More importantly, MikeOH58 recognizes that some of the replies are subjective and he seems to be trying to separate the emotional replies from the more factual ones.

I wouldn't have understood half of what was posted about PACE/MAPD when I first got here without asking questions as they came up.

It's also hard to do a search when you don't necessarily understand the right context, and thus what keywords to use.

I know it *looks* like it might *possibly* be trolling, but I don't think it is, truly. No offense, man. Not trying to pick on ya or anything. :)
 
killbilly said:
602, with all due respect, I don't think this is a fair statement. He's asking intelligent questions - the problem is that the answers lead to more questions. More importantly, MikeOH58 recognizes that some of the replies are subjective and he seems to be trying to separate the emotional replies from the more factual ones.

I wouldn't have understood half of what was posted about PACE/MAPD when I first got here without asking questions as they came up.

It's also hard to do a search when you don't necessarily understand the right context, and thus what keywords to use.

I know it *looks* like it might *possibly* be trolling, but I don't think it is, truly. No offense, man. Not trying to pick on ya or anything. :)
Click to expand...

Lol even if you were it's no skin off my back.

But when something like this is posted:
Sounds like Mesa is the joke of the regional industry? Is it because of the terrible pay, schedules, and how they treat their pilots?

Is their PACE program something to consider, or is it pointless
Click to expand...

It's like saying, "yeah I know the stove is hot, I'll suffer third degree burns and my spouse will make fun of me for being retarded enough to touch the stove, but should I go ahead and touch it anyway? Maybe I should climb inside and roll around in it while I'm at it."

Dunno... I could be wrong, probably am. Sure as heck wouldn't be the first time. :)
 
I can assure you that my questions are not in the form of a "troll". These are serious "flashy jet syndrome" inquiries. In the other thread I started, I talk about my situation...PPL with Instrument Rating, and graduating college in May of this year. However, I have not flown in 12 months. When first reading about the MPDP, it looked too good to be true. After my initial inquiry, more or less, I got the same answers I would get after my fourth and fifth post. Reason I kept posting the same questions is because I wanted to make sure I was getting a legitimate answer; not a reply for one or two guys with a grudge against the Mesa Group. Low and behold, everyone has some sort of grudge against them, because quit frankly, it sounds like they suck. The wood plank? lmfao.
Realistically, if this was such a great program, why would they have to drop their mins from 250-200, when there are tens of thousands of qualified pilots as is already.
I've decided that when I start flying again full time I will do my com. at my FBO. Then move onto my instruction ratings. It's only gonna be a Grumman Tiger and a Mooney, but $40/hour and my own bed + own hours sounds a lot better than the regional roll right now.

So please don't look at my previous postings as trolling, and I hope this does not tarnage any future image you may have of me when posting on this board.

I'll keep everyone updated on my progress.

Thanks

Mike Palazzo
 
MikeOH58 said:
I can assure you that my questions are not in the form of a "troll". These are serious "flashy jet syndrome" inquiries. In the other thread I started, I talk about my situation...PPL with Instrument Rating, and graduating college in May of this year. However, I have not flown in 12 months. When first reading about the MPDP, it looked too good to be true. After my initial inquiry, more or less, I got the same answers I would get after my fourth and fifth post. Reason I kept posting the same questions is because I wanted to make sure I was getting a legitimate answer; not a reply for one or two guys with a grudge against the Mesa Group. Low and behold, everyone has some sort of grudge against them, because quit frankly, it sounds like they suck. The wood plank? lmfao.
Realistically, if this was such a great program, why would they have to drop their mins from 250-200, when there are tens of thousands of qualified pilots as is already.
I've decided that when I start flying again full time I will do my com. at my FBO. Then move onto my instruction ratings. It's only gonna be a Grumman Tiger and a Mooney, but $40/hour and my own bed + own hours sounds a lot better than the regional roll right now.

So please don't look at my previous postings as trolling, and I hope this does not tarnage any future image you may have of me when posting on this board.

I'll keep everyone updated on my progress.

Thanks

Mike Palazzo
Click to expand...

You're cool dude. A troll would have gone <removed> over what I posted.

Ask away. But there is already a ton of stuff here so feel free to search too! Welcome to JC!
 
Folks:

If you are hot on the tail of a regional job... avoid Mesa!

http://www.pilotjobs.com/

As you can see they are hiring plenty of pilots not due to growth, but due to sheer numbers of guys and gals leaving the company that are fed up with it. Do yourself the favor of a lifetime and let this pilot applicant pool dry up and starve JO. You will thank me later. Hit up the quality regionals!
 
I"m not saying I agree with this by any means, but while in the jump the other night to SLC, the FO was flying the leg, and when I asked him where he was prior to here, he said Mesa, and came from that program you guys mentioned. He seemed like a very mature, good stick and rudder, young man. There are some good people coming out of that place it looks like.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top