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[Vector]

Can you provide more details on this aviation recruiting business? It really interests me.

Thanks!

I am also interested. Money won't buy happiness but it will buy a lot of happy memories. Isn't that what life is all about?

God help you with that 3 hours drive from San Antonio to Hobby. I couldn't do it on Regional FO pay. You will still need a crash pad in Houston otherwise, your early flights will be brutal making it a really long day. I am sure you have thought it through.

 

[TexasFlyer]

Can you provide more details on this aviation recruiting business? It really interests me.

Thanks!

If interested, PM for my phone number and we can talk. I actually mentor people into the business and donate time teaching people how to do it. I feel the business of "headhunting" is a best kept secret for people looking for a high income desk job that requires very little formal education as it is a sales job ultimately.

Most fail since very few people can work and sell via phone and stay motivated to sell, sell, sell, every day by phone from their home office. It takes thick skin to be successful as a headhunter. It is very similar to being a stock broker. Watch Pursuit of Happyness and The Wolf of Wallstreet. Both movies are success in a different way within the same business, stock broker. It is an identical business to headhunting. You just broker people instead of stocks. You first find a company who needs your expertise. You then locate their next new hire superstar. Then you get paid. It is a rather individual and lonely business, although the financial reward is large. The few who become successful have the motivation to focus on the business and the logic to think through the process I teach. They are born entrepreneurs.

And all I ask for is 50 percent of the first 36 months of revenue you make for me teaching you a career where you will make an enormous amount of money with very little expenses. I only get paid if you do, hence my donation of time makes me successful only if you are. And you are only successful if you apply my teachings. And that is up to you. I will spend several hundred hours mentoring you over that time via phone or even in person.

Financial reality? Reality is, you will make ZERO your first 6 to 8 months as you learn (hence why most can't enter the industry). Between 8 to 12 months you will make 60k to 80k. So first year, 60 to 80k. In your second year you will make 150k to 300k. If you don't, you won't survive long term since making any less means you are not supporting your client base and will not be able to compete with the other competitors in the niche. In year 3 and beyond you will always make 150k to over 1,000,000 a year. If you hire people to work for you, you now are an 'executive recruiting firm'. Total revenue if successful could be staggering. There are Recruiting firms listed as Fortune 500 companies! I know several individuals making over 1,000,000 per year doing this. I never made near that top end. The worst I ever did was 68k in 2002 which was an awful market after 9-11. The most was near 400k in 2001 and in 2006. I consider myself a top 20 percent recruiter and in organizations I belonged to I was normally in the top 10 to 20 percent every year in placement income. The worst recruiters still make 55k to 80k, but they will not survive on their own abd if they work for a firm they will bounce around from firm to firm since if performing at that level long term they get fired often to make room for higher performers. It is a ruthless business. Anyone interested in learning more is welcome to PM me and I will send my number so you can then call me.

 

[TexasFlyer]

I am also interested. Money won't buy happiness but it will buy a lot of happy memories. Isn't that what life is all about?

God help you with that 3 hours drive from San Antonio to Hobby. I couldn't do it on Regional FO pay. You will still need a crash pad in Houston otherwise, your early flights will be brutal making it a really long day. I am sure you have thought it through.

I always bid late starts. So a crash pad will be short lived since once off reserve and I would bid late starts. Fingers crossed late starts are the more junior schedules as I am not a morning person.

 

[Vector]

And all I ask for is 50 percent of the first 36 months of revenue you make for me teaching you a career where you will make an enormous amount of money with very little expenses. I only get paid if you do, hence my donation of time makes me successful only if you are. And you are only successful if you apply my teachings. And that is up to you. I will spend several hundred hours mentoring you over that time via phone or even in person.

You claim money is not everything but want 50% of a the first 36 for your time??

If it is as easy as you claim with a significant ROI, you wouldn't be walking away. With as much time as you claim to have vested, you shouldn't have to put as much time in to realize a substantial income.

How is this different from a pyramid scheme?

 

[Seggy]

A million dollars a year recruiting in an industry where good places to work have thousands of applications on file?

 

[Kingairer]

What kind of positions are we recruiting for, and when do I start.

 

[TexasFlyer]

You claim money is not everything but want 50% of a the first 36 for your time??

If it is as easy as you claim with a significant ROI, you wouldn't be walking away. With as much time as you claim to have vested, you shouldn't have to put as much time in to realize a substantial income.

How is this different from a pyramid scheme?

Did I say it is easy? It is easy for me but I got burned out from working long hours and working in a mundane job (it is a daily grind of life on a phone). I can make 200k working 20 hours to 30 hours a week, but I done this for over 15 years.

No pryamid. I am willing to train soneone for free for a part of your success. After a few years, I am out of your life forever. And you are not selling my product. There is no product to buy and sell. A computer, internet, and phone. That is all you are required to have. You can buy other tools of the trade if you want, but those are are optional. Things like Career Builder access or NBAA membership would all help. But still, never required.

If you don't want to learn from me, go work at Kforce or Robert Half or Spherion or similar large company. Get there job as a recruiter on their permanant direct hire division. Let them train you. You will have zero salary. A draw against future commssion. And your commssion will be 20 to 30 percent. So now you will make your 300k or more each year, but they will keep about 70 percent of that money. But hey. They gave you a fancy office, nicer phone, and a computer to use. Their only advantage? They will make you show up for work daily and they have a database of people that will help you get up to speed quicker. But they will lock you in with a 2 year noncompete if you ever try to leave since they fear you doing this on your own once they teach you.

Easy business to start. But it is very time intensive to start. Hence why most fail in this career. It is no different than selling insurance, stocks, etc. Most will fail. But a few will become rich. And many will be average, but average in these industries bring 6 figures.

 

[scoobs]

Why do you see Skywest fading?

 

[TexasFlyer]

A million dollars a year recruiting in an industry where good places to work have thousands of applications on file?

Let me just say this. HR does a great job. So good the company will pay me 20k to 50k to find one person (a CFO of a company pays more than a mechanic search). The person HR been looking for over 3 months with zero success. So they hire me gladly. HR is usually worthless.

Example. Find me a TPE 331 mechanic that will work in South Florida or Northern Ohio for 28 to 36 dollars an hour. They must be current on that engine for the last 4 years. And they can not have any more than 2 employers in the last 6 years. And they should have 8 to 20 years of career experience. No more. No less.

HR gets hundreds of unqualified resumes of unstable people or people who do not have that current experience. My job is to find that one person with exactly that background. Only way to find that person is cold call networking. No job ad will find that person. If it would, HR would have found it.

So I do a national search via research and cold calling. HR has no time for that. If I find that mechanic, it pays me 18k to 26k once I find him/her. Not as easy as it sounds, but with persistence and time, you will find the right person. Hence the word, headhunting.

 

[TexasFlyer]

What kind of positions are we recruiting for, and when do I start.

Recruit for any specialty area you are an expert in. The specialty you chose is up to you. Could be buisness aviation (then you compete with people I know). Could be restaurant management. Could be IT. Could be accounting. Anything you chose.

 

[TexasFlyer]

Why do you see Skywest fading?

They got big, fat, and mature. They are dwindling in revenue and profit now. Big animals get mature and slow and go from king of jungle to just another animal in the jungle. Just my opinion.

 

[scoobs]

Let me just say this. HR does a great job. So good the company will pay me 20k to 50k to find one person (a CFO of a company pays more than a mechanic search). The person HR been looking for over 3 months with zero success. So they hire me gladly. HR is usually worthless.

Example. Find me a TPE 331 mechanic that will work in South Florida or Northern Ohio for 28 to 36 dollars an hour. They must be current on that engine for the last 4 years. And they can not have any more than 2 employers in the last 6 years. And they should have 8 to 20 years of career experience. No more. No less.

HR gets hundreds of unqualified resumes of unstable people or people who do not have that current experience. My job is to find that one person with exactly that background. Only way to find that person is cold call networking. No job ad will find that person. If it would, HR would have found it.

So I do a national search via research and cold calling. HR has no time for that. If I find that mechanic, it pays me 18k to 26k once I find him/her. Not as easy as it sounds, but with persistence and time, you will find the right person. Hence the word, headhunting.

So you cherry pick a person for more money?

 

[scoobs]

They got big, fat, and mature. They are dwindling in revenue and profit now. Big animals get mature and slow and go from king of jungle to just another animal in the jungle. Just my opinion.

But they're getting new planes?

 

[stuckingfk]

I have a good friend who recruits IT. She does great. Makes great money and this industry will be around for a long time because of one reason; the ability to discriminate. Companies cannot legally discriminate, but hire a recruiter and tell them what to bring you, they bring you what you want.

Good posts on this topic Texas Flyer, thanks for the information. It's funny how seasoned airline pilots want to learn your former business, and you're getting into the regional industry at one of the worst regionals.

 

[Vector]

Did I say it is easy? It is easy for me but I got burned out from working long hours and working in a mundane job (it is a daily grind of life on a phone). I can make 200k working 20 hours to 30 hours a week, but I done this for over 15 years.

No pryamid. I am willing to train soneone for free for a part of your success. After a few years, I am out of your life forever. And you are not selling my product. There is no product to buy and sell. A computer, internet, and phone. That is all you are required to have. You can buy other tools of the trade if you want, but those are are optional. Things like Career Builder access or NBAA membership would all help. But still, never required.

If you don't want to learn from me, go work at Kforce or Robert Half or Spherion or similar large company. Get there job as a recruiter on their permanant direct hire division. Let them train you. You will have zero salary. A draw against future commssion. And your commssion will be 20 to 30 percent. So now you will make your 300k or more each year, but they will keep about 70 percent of that money. But hey. They gave you a fancy office, nicer phone, and a computer to use. Their only advantage? They will make you show up for work daily and they have a database of people that will help you get up to speed quicker. But they will lock you in with a 2 year noncompete if you ever try to leave since they fear you doing this on your own once they teach you.

Easy business to start. But it is very time intensive to start. Hence why most fail in this career. It is no different than selling insurance, stocks, etc. Most will fail. But a few will become rich. And many will be average, but average in these industries bring 6 figures.

So more appropriately put, you are an Aviation Headhunter. 50% of my earnings for 36 months is just as bad as 70% that Kforce or Robert Half or Spherion will charge. In fact 70% with a 2 year noncompete is a better deal.

I will pass. I will rather build my business up and learn by fire than dole out 50% of my earnings for 3 years.

Thanks. I am sure someone else will find it promising.

 

[TexasFlyer]

So you cherry pick a person for more money?

Yes. You have to find exactly what the hiring manager wants, not the crap HR is feeding them that are many times not ideal. Meaning you hunt down the person from a direct competitor that is doing the same job elsewhere. And they will move since the company you represent can offer a location they want to live, benefits they wish they had, or a future promotional opportunity they lack at their current company. Many times the money is not more than they make now. If they are only moving for money, i will not represent them since they will not work out long term for the new company.

 

[TexasFlyer]

But they're getting new planes?

Yes, they are. But hiw many 50 seat planes are they running today? The long term projection says they are going away. So you need substantially more fleet replacement than they have currently. Plus XJT is bad for them and will be an ongoing struggle. Plus their business operation from a financial petspective is on a downward trend. And the fact is, if in 2014 you continued to trend downward financially, you are in big trouble long term. The positive is they have a good cash position. So they will survive. But only survival I predict is a reorganization. And that will not be a place I want to be during those changes.

My first career was as CPA. So I analyze financials and industry projections to make my short term assumptions. I then transitioned to headhunting accounting and finance professionals since that is what I knew best. I then over time transitioned into aviation recruiting once I realized a huge need in that niche and I always had the aviation bug. I wanted to be a pilot since I was a child. I am grateful that I can now focus on being an airline pilot due to my past career. I also enjoy helping others break into headhunting if they feel that is their next calling. So there. Just a little about me and where my thoughts on these posts come from.

On that note. It seems this thread got hijacked to be about recruiting. Lets keep it focused on Mesa. I am open to starting a new thread about headhunting if you all sense value in it. Or Just PM me and I will pass on my number. I don't mind sharing my knowledge of that industry. And if you do not want to step out on your own as a headhunter, I can refer you to local firms whete you live and coach you how to possibly transition to that career working as an employee for someone. It really is a great career for a money motivated person if you do it on your own or get into the proper firm.

 

[TexasFlyer]

I have a good friend who recruits IT. She does great. Makes great money and this industry will be around for a long time because of one reason; the ability to discriminate. Companies cannot legally discriminate, but hire a recruiter and tell them what to bring you, they bring you what you want.

Good posts on this topic Texas Flyer, thanks for the information. It's funny how seasoned airline pilots want to learn your former business, and you're getting into the regional industry at one of the worst regionals.

Haha. Thanks. And if your friend does IT, she is in the most competitve recruiting market as a headhunter. Yet, she is in a place where the top billers in the industry work. IT is a great recruiting niche. My friend who does over 1,000,000 a year is in IT. The other is in executive recruiting specializing in CFO, CEO, CIO, etc. Another person I know does about 800k a year in Radiation Oncology recruiting Physicists and Dosemistrists. And another does general higher level accounting professionals and makes about 700k to 800k. All those folks work their tail off though to make that happen. But they love it.

A great place for a transitioning pilot to start would be a firm called MRI. Also called Management Recruiters. These are franchises that many seasoned recruiters buy to have a good infrastructure to expand their individual business into a large company. Many of those owners will hire someone will no experience in the industry as long as they are mobey motivated, articulate, and understand the hard work will pay off long term.

And yes. I am going to one of the worst Regionals. But I believe their long term outlook is positive. And like anyone going to a regional. My goal is the same. Work. Learn. Gain experience. Move on.

 

[TexasFlyer]

So more appropriately put, you are an Aviation Headhunter. 50% of my earnings for 36 months is just as bad as 70% that Kforce or Robert Half or Spherion will charge. In fact 70% with a 2 year noncompete is a better deal.

I will pass. I will rather build my business up and learn by fire than dole out 50% of my earnings for 3 years.

Thanks. I am sure someone else will find it promising.

Not to bust your bubble. But you will never ever be a recruiter in that case. Unless you get proper training from an industry expert or work at one of the firms who let you do what is called 'full desk direct hire', you will not be able to make the first phone call. At this point you can start by googling 'full desk direct hire' since you likely just learned that term. Some research then may help you understand what is involved. But even after that you will not even know where to begin, what to say, who to ask for, what resources are out there, etc.

So just like being a pilot, without proper training nothing positive will result. And being a good recruiter is truly a learned talent and having a strong mentor is critical. After all, how do you plan on getting Coca Cola to pay you 30k to find their Director of Channel Marketing? And if so lucky as to figure out how to get that order, how you going to find the exact person who has an MBA with 8 to 10 years experience in soft drink channel marketing that wants to live in Atlanta, GA area? I can tell you exactly how. I even have the script written for it and the whole process written down to accomplish such. But I will give yu the first hint, and rookie mistake. Do Not Talk To HR! I guarentee the department manager has a recruiting budget. But will he trust you? You get one phone call to earn the trust and get the order? Oh, and what will this contract he signs look like? And then, if so lucky as to figure that all out, where you going to find this unicorn he asks for? And he knows, this unicorn exists since they hired one once before. And if so lucky as to locate the unicorn, what will you say to the unicorn since you have only one phone call to get him to trust you are real and not a joke like the last recruiter who called him? So yup, good luck if you think you can learn this on your own. I never met one person in this industry who did not have a good mentor.

Just ask anyone in the industry who been in it more than 5 consequitive years at the same firm or as an independent. That is the criteria to finding your mentor. More specifically. They billed over 1,000,000 dollars in the last 3 years and profited at least 500k of that as their income. That is your mentor! And that is your first search assignment if you want to succeed as a headhunter.

 

[at1024]

Welcome to Mesa @TexasFlyer. I just finished my first year and I don't have any major complaints thus far. Don't listen to all the haters who pretend to know what it is like to work here. Our training department is wonderful and the pilot group is a solid bunch of guys who stick up for each other. Being a lineholder is better than I thought it would be, at least on the CRJ side. I'm a PHX based FO and even on reserve I had a commutable schedule. I've never had any trouble betting late starts. Obviously this place has it's faults but things have vastly improved since the pre-bankruptcy days. The bottom line is that it is a regional. Approach it as such, don't make a career out of it, and you'll be just fine.