Meetup/Retreat

tcco94 said:
121 regional is getting more easy by the year. When I was hired it was 4 weeks of ground, a indoc test that wasn't a cake walk, systems test that I studied everyday in groups for weeks for. Now it's all on CBT's. Fail test at end of module? We all know what happens next, just redo. I upgraded and the "test" was an FOM quiz. Systems tests gone. Apparently the weeding out is in sims and even then they push guys out to OE that do 100-150 hours of OE before they wash out. Just put in the effort and I think you'll be plenty fine. They don't make it very difficult anymore and even my experience wasn't difficult compared to what people did 1 or 3 decades ago.
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And, on the other end of the spectrum, there's Envoy.

Or perhaps it's easier now, too. Used to be a freaking gong show with the ABCs, at least on the EMB-145. How many lights turn on in the cabin if the emergency lights activate? Uh. Phone a friend, please. Oh yeah, that's not even on a type ride, just a straight up PC.
 
All id add is you're thinking about regional unions and failing 121 checkrides before getting your multi. I think that's being a victim of being apart of this industry for too long (via this website and others) before being able to experience it. You're going into it with a bunch of other people's experiences and opinions before molding yours.
Take charge of your career and form your own experiences and opinions and stop confirming others.
 
Maximilian_Jenius said:
In addition to what other mentioned. CFI'ing is $7k and some checkrides. Surveying is 0 out of pocket and just passing an interview and then getting paid to build hours.
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No offense to anyone who builds or built time doing survey work- but you will be a better pilot after some time spent as a CFI.

Disclaimer: spent way too much money getting my CFI.
 
roundout said:
And, on the other end of the spectrum, there's Envoy.

Or perhaps it's easier now, too. Used to be a freaking gong show with the ABCs, at least on the EMB-145. How many lights turn on in the cabin if the emergency lights activate? Uh. Phone a friend, please. Oh yeah, that's not even on a type ride, just a straight up PC.
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145 and CRJ were thorough. Then 145 got a bit hit or miss with outside sim instructors and whatnot and CRJ was AQP with most oldtimers running it old fashion 121 like it was the 1980s (good thing was though that the understanding of the systems was expected, outside of the synoptic page bare bones). 175 was a vacation on the beach, but as the CRJ schoolhouse shut down, some love from there transferred over to 175 and it's getting a bit tougher for the vacationing crowd, which is good, that's how the good Lord intended it.
 
roundout said:
And, on the other end of the spectrum, there's Envoy.

Or perhaps it's easier now, too. Used to be a freaking gong show with the ABCs, at least on the EMB-145. How many lights turn on in the cabin if the emergency lights activate? Uh. Phone a friend, please. Oh yeah, that's not even on a type ride, just a straight up PC.
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They did expect me to know a lot about that thing. And there was a lot of bold print, too. “Every single time the gust lock lever is moved to the full unlocked position…”

Incidentally, that was when I learned buttons are not mashed or pushed, but pressed. (If you know, you know.)
 
Autothrust Blue said:
They did expect me to know a lot about that thing. And there was a lot of bold print, too. “Every single time the gust lock lever is moved to the full unlocked position…”

Incidentally, that was when I learned buttons are not mashed or pushed, but pressed. (If you know, you know.)
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"So, Mark, how come all the weird stories come from the 145 side of the house?"
 
BigZ said:
"So, Mark, how come all the weird stories come from the 145 side of the house?"
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I do find it somewhat funny that a bunch of former and current Envoy (it was called Eagle back in MY day, you damn KIDS) people are in here like :confused2:
 
mikecweb said:
If that track is so great why do you have to sell it so much? Do you see anyone at any other airline trying this hard?
I know I don't work at American but do you think I have to actively convince people to work at my place of employment?
Any product that is good sells itself. You are proving yours requires bonfires and putting others down to try and sell yours.
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I'm not really sure where you come up with that I'm on here "selling." Not even close to the truth. I'm here to share information that is relevant to AIRLINE PILOTS. Last I checked, AA was still the largest major airline in the world so those who want to chat about AA can engage with me here. As I've mentioned before, I work at the palace right now and am in close proximity to many decision makers. I share what I can here when I can.

As far as the flow from Envoy to AA. That absolutely speaks for itself. Nothing else out there can touch it. Think about it. Begin your college career at a pipeline university and retire from the left seat of an AA 787. Not too bad a path if I say so myself. As you can see, there's not much that really needs to be "sold" here.
 
Dacuj said:
I'm not really sure where you come up with that I'm on here "selling." Not even close to the truth. I'm here to share information that is relevant to AIRLINE PILOTS. Last I checked, AA was still the largest major airline in the world so those who want to chat about AA can engage with me here. As I've mentioned before, I work at the palace right now and am in close proximity to many decision makers. I share what I can here when I can.

As far as the flow from Envoy to AA. That absolutely speaks for itself. Nothing else out there can touch it. Think about it. Begin your college career at a pipeline university and retire from the left seat of an AA 787. Not too bad a path if I say so myself. As you can see, there's not much that really needs to be "sold" here.
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Sites like APC have specific airline carrier subforums - we don't have that here. You should try APC - it's a better fit for you. Wait, were you banned from there? Why?

@mikecweb - you are absolutely right with a small clarification - he's not selling AA - no one really needs to sell AA, Delta, Purple, Brown, etc... he's selling Envoy which probably needs a hard sell with their pay and work rules.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
So....................... it's AA Fight Club. :)
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It's better than fight club. DECS mastery is way cooler than, say, kung-fu mastery. The kicker is, the "guides" floating around don't even scratch the surface, in order to become DECS master you must fly the lines with Lifers (and not be a •). Then and only then, grain by grain, you assemble the knowledge of how to make the green letters on the black screen do what you need them to do. And trust me when I say they can do a lot. But it's almost a forgotten art, as DECS Guide Vol 1-18 or whatever they were no longer exist. Only the Ancient Ones (Lifers) still retain some of that knowledge, and you extract it from them to eventually pass it along to the next generation.
 
Ok...you know how every other major airline has FLICA or something like it? And whatever PBS software they use to bid their schedules/base/seat/whatever, and have crew track. All of that shtuff? Well AA (and associates have DECS). It's so much more...and so much less than the alternatives.
 
Max, and to others who may find this contribution useful.

I wrapped up training at the biggest regional* in the world (take that Dacuj) a few weeks back and got done with my ioe shortly there after. As @tcco94 and many others have stated here in the thread, the training can be easy and it can be challenging but if you put forth the effort you will get through it.

My class as well as the ones that are currently going through the training were taught both indoc and systems via Microsoft Teams in our hotel rooms. Systems especially was challenging for many of us in that environment coupled with the fact that many of the instructors teaching it only have a few hundred hours in said airplane (one in particular had less then 200). One of the many frustrations with the new streamlined process of training is when asking a question the instructor will tell you “you don’t need to know that” but the when the systems validation comes around those questions end up showing up. So moral of that is don’t settle until you have found your answer.

Again the issues are minimal and you’ll get through it so long as you study and maintain a good attitude. As many others have posted, the sims/maneuvers validation is where people really tend to trip up. Fear not though because you are provided with a few extra sessions if need be. However things are changing rapidly. If you use up all of your allotted extra sessions, what use to be at the discretion of the training director would be that so long as you were progressing they would approve additional-add sessions. That is no longer the case as new classes of 200 total a month have pushed the training pipeline until 4/21. Sims and sim instructors are no longer a dime-a-dozen and classes lately are having more people shown the door during sims/MV.

Same goes for ioe. Long gone are the days of 75-100 hours of extra time. I believe after 40 hours it goes to review board and then decisions are made. Now back to a little positive before I end. That 17500 or 20000 depending on what agreement you sign is awesome, and you are correct in that you receive it after passing ioe. However be prepared for the dang government to take a lot of it. Of my 17500 I got about 11k after taxes. Hey it’s still free month though.

TLDR: stress, it’s human nature but study, take a day off here and there for yourself and you’ll be just fine amigo!
 
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