ME Approach Turn Stalls

mjg407 said:
The Flight Instructors guide allows for straight power off P-3 stall buffets. I would take instructors under training up to a full stall so they could see. Recovery was about 50 feet if you were good.
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No doubt. Amazing what you can do with people who are good and hungry to be better. When I was a 737 check airman, with the really good students AND if we were ahead of the time line, we would do some V1 cuts with NO ailerons allowed. Place your hands behind the control column and NO hands on the yoke. All rudder to correct the engine failure. Usually two or three simulations and no more dancing with V1 cuts.
 
Orange Anchor said:
No doubt. Amazing what you can do with people who are good and hungry to be better. When I was a 737 check airman, with the really good students AND if we were ahead of the time line, we would do some V1 cuts with NO ailerons allowed. Place your hands behind the control column and NO hands on the yoke. All rudder to correct the engine failure. Usually two or three simulations and no more dancing with V1 cuts.
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That actually sounds like a great exercise in aircraft control!

-mini
 
minitour said:
That actually sounds like a great exercise in aircraft control!

-mini
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I don't know that I would want to do it in the airplane as a miscue and you have your hands full VERY quickly. And the wrong rudder and you have major problems. When we were training in the early Lear 20 series, it could be a real excursion if you got the wrong rudder or if you didn't get enough of the correct rudder in. But one only has to look at the rudder on a 737 or any big machine and see it is THE largest control surface.

And when we were having the rudder hard-over problems in the 737, that too was an interesting training exercise to get to the 'cross over' speed where you had enough aileron to counter the hard-over rudder.

Never in the airplane but in the sim, you can do 45-60deg bank turns and wait until you are maybe 5deg from desired heading and feed forcefully in the rudder and you will STOP turning NOW. However, after the American A300 coming out of JFK, I would have to see the stresses exerted on the vertical fin.
 
ppragman said:
Rumor has it (from an old metro pilot I know) that they inadvertantly spun the thing during flight testing. Apparently it took about 19000-20000' to get out of the spin. Merely heresay though.
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The rumor's probably true. I hear it does not actually stall very well. Thats one of the main reasons they installed the stick pusher. I can see bad things happening if the aircraft actually went into a full stall because you don't have very much control effectiveness in the thing in the first place.
 
while we're on what kinda weird things aircraft do, checkout www.opspecs.com click on the FSB link.

See if your plane is on there.

Learning is fun.

:tmyk:
 
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