Malaysian 777 Plane Crashes in Ukraine

This is an international incident. Putin will have to answer for this chit.This crap has to end. The poor pax and crew........RIP Can't even think.....so angry and shocked.



16.42 The Ukrainian interior ministry adviser, quoted by Interfax, says there are no survivors.

It came down at Torez, near Shakhtersk, some 40 km (25 miles) from the Russia border. The area has been the scene of fighting between Ukrainian troops and pro-Russian rebels.

Ukraine has accused Russia of taking an active role in the four-month-old conflict in recent days and accused it earlier on Thursday of shooting down a Ukrainian fighter jet - an accusation that Moscow denied.

On Wednesday evening, a Ukrainian fighter jet was shot down by an air-to-air missile from a Russian plane, Ukrainian authorities said Thursday, adding to what Kyiv says is mounting evidence that Moscow is directly supporting the separatist insurgents in eastern Ukraine. Security Council spokesman Andrei Lysenko said the pilot of the Sukhoi-25 jet hit by the air-to-air missile was forced to bail after his jet was shot down.

Pro-Russia rebels, meanwhile, claimed responsibility for strikes Wednesday on two Ukrainian Sukhoi-25 jets. The Ukrainian Defence Ministry said the second jet was hit by a portable surface-to-air missile, but added the pilot was unscathed and managed to land his plane safely

Moscow denies Western charges that is supporting the separatists or sowing unrest in its neighbour. The Russian Defence Ministry couldn’t be reached for comment Thursday about the Ukrainian jet and Russia’s foreign ministry didn’t respond to multiple requests for comment.

Earlier this week, Ukraine said a military transport plane was shot down Monday by a missile fired from Russian territory.

49 Ukrainian services personnel were killed when pro-Russian separatists shot down a large military transport plane in the country's unsettled east, officials say. The Ukrainian defence ministry statement said that the plane was downed as it approached an airport at Lugansk. The Il-76 transport plane was carrying service members as well as equipment and food.

A launcher similar to the Buk missile system was seen by Associated Press journalists near the eastern Ukrainian town of Snizhne, which is held by pro-Russia rebels, earlier Thursday.


 
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Other than common sense, what methods are there for notifying pilots about possible hostilities on a route?
 
RT tweeted this out but I would question it's authenticity being so soon after the crash.
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Champcar said:
Other than common sense, what methods are there for notifying pilots about possible hostilities on a route?
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FDC NOTAMs. For US operators, there's an SFAR

FDC 4/7667 (A0012/14) - null AIRSPACE SPECIAL NOTICE UKRAINE
SPECIAL FEDERAL AVIATION REGULATION (SFAR) NO. 113, PROHIBITION
AGAINST CERTAIN FLIGHTS IN THE SIMFEROPOL (UKFV) FLIGHT INFORMATION
REGION (FIR), AND ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS.
(A) APPLICABILITY. THIS SPECIAL FEDERAL AVIATION REGULATION (SFAR)
APPLIES TO THE FOLLOWING PERSONS:
(1) ALL U.S. AIR CARRIERS AND U.S. COMMERCIAL OPERATORS;
(2) ALL PERSONS EXERCISING THE PRIVILEGES OF AN AIRMAN CERTIFICATE
ISSUED BY THE FAA, EXCEPT SUCH PERSONS OPERATING U.S. REGISTERED
AIRCRAFT FOR A FOREIGN AIR CARRIER; AND
(3) ALL OPERATORS OF U.S. REGISTERED CIVIL AIRCRAFT, EXCEPT WHERE THE
OPERATOR OF SUCH AIRCRAFT IS A FOREIGN AIR CARRIER.
(B) FLIGHT PROHIBITION. EXCEPT AS PROVIDED IN PARAGRAPHS (C) AND
(D), NO PERSON DESCRIBED IN PARAGRAPH (A) MAY CONDUCT FLIGHT
OPERATIONS IN THE PORTION OF THE SIMFEROPOL (UKFV) FIR WITHIN THE
FOLLOWING LATERAL LIMITS:
454500N 0345800E-460900N 0360000E-460000N 0370000E-452700N
0364100E-452242N 0364100E-451824N 0363524E-451442N 0363542E-451218N
END PART 1 OF 4. 23 APR 22:30 2014 UNTIL 1504270001. CREATED: 23 APR 22:16 2014
FDC 4/7667 (A0012/14) - null AIRSPACE SPECIAL NOTICE UKRAINE
0363200E-450418N 0363418E-445600N 0363700E-443100N 0364000E-424400N
0361600E-424700N 0340000E-424800N 0304500E-434100N 0303200E-441500N
0302400E-444600N 0300900E-455400N 0322500E-454900N 0324700E-455400N
0330600E-455600N 0332700E-455900N 0332900E-THEN ALONG THE CRIMEA
BORDER TO 454500N 0345800E.
(C) PERMITTED OPERATIONS. THIS SFAR DOES NOT PROHIBIT PERSONS
DESCRIBED IN PARAGRAPH (A) FROM CONDUCTING FLIGHT OPERATIONS IN THE
PORTION OF THE SIMFEROPOL (UKFV) FIR DESCRIBED IN PARAGRAPH (B),
PROVIDED THAT SUCH FLIGHT OPERATIONS ARE CONDUCTED UNDER A CONTRACT,
GRANT OR COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT WITH A DEPARTMENT, AGENCY, OR
INSTRUMENTALITY OF THE U.S. GOVERNMENT WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE FAA,
OR UNDER AN EXEMPTION ISSUED BY THE FAA. THE FAA WILL PROCESS
REQUESTS FOR APPROVAL OR EXEMPTION IN A TIMELY MANNER, WITH AN ORDER
OF PREFERENCE BEING: FIRST, FOR THOSE OPERATIONS IN SUPPORT OF U.S.
GOVERNMENT-SPONSORED ACTIVITIES; SECOND, FOR THOSE OPERATIONS IN
SUPPORT OF GOVERNMENT-SPONSORED ACTIVITIES OF A FOREIGN COUNTRY WITH
THE SUPPORT OF A U.S. GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENT, AGENCY, OR
END PART 2 OF 4. 23 APR 22:30 2014 UNTIL 1504270001. CREATED: 23 APR 22:16 2014

FDC 4/7667 (A0012/14) - null AIRSPACE SPECIAL NOTICE UKRAINE
INSTRUMENTALITY; AND THIRD, FOR ALL OTHER OPERATIONS.
(D) EMERGENCY SITUATIONS. IN AN EMERGENCY THAT REQUIRES IMMEDIATE
DECISION AND ACTION FOR THE SAFETY OF THE FLIGHT, THE PILOT IN
COMMAND OF AN AIRCRAFT MAY DEVIATE FROM THIS SFAR TO THE EXTENT
REQUIRED BY THAT EMERGENCY. EXCEPT FOR U.S. AIR CARRIERS AND
COMMERCIAL OPERATORS THAT ARE SUBJECT TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF 14 CFR
PARTS 119, 121, 125, OR 135, EACH PERSON WHO DEVIATES FROM THIS SFAR
MUST, WITHIN 10 DAYS OF THE DEVIATION, EXCLUDING SATURDAYS, SUNDAYS,
AND FEDERAL HOLIDAYS, SUBMIT TO THE NEAREST FAA FLIGHT STANDARDS
DISTRICT OFFICE (FSDO) A COMPLETE REPORT OF THE OPERATIONS OF THE
AIRCRAFT INVOLVED IN THE DEVIATION, INCLUDING A DESCRIPTION OF THE
DEVIATION AND THE REASONS FOR IT.
(E) EXPIRATION. THIS SFAR WILL REMAIN IN EFFECT UNTIL 27 APR 2015.
THE FAA MAY AMEND, RESCIND, OR EXTEND THIS SFAR AS NECESSARY.
(F) ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT (NOT INCLUDED IN SFAR 113): U.S.
OPERATORS AND AIRMEN FLYING INTO, OUT OF, WITHIN, OR TRANSITING LVOV
(UKLV), KYIV(UKBV), DNEPROPETROVSK (UKDV), AND ODESSA (UKOV) FIRS,
END PART 3 OF 4. 23 APR 22:30 2014 UNTIL 1504270001. CREATED: 23 APR 22:16 2014

FDC 4/7667 (A0012/14) - null AIRSPACE SPECIAL NOTICE UKRAINE
AS WELL AS AIRSPACE IN THE SIMFEROPOL (UKFV) FIR THAT IS OUTSIDE THE
LATERAL LIMITS OF SFAR 113 AIRSPACE DESCRIBED ABOVE, MUST REVIEW
CURRENT SECURITY/THREAT INFORMATION AND NOTAMS; COMPLY WITH ALL
APPLICABLE FAA REGULATIONS, OPERATIONS SPECIFICATIONS, MANAGEMENT
SPECIFICATIONS, AND LETTERS OF AUTHORIZATION, INCLUDING UPDATING
B450; AND EXERCISE EXTREME CAUTION DUE TO THE CONTINUING POTENTIAL
FOR INSTABILITY. U.S. OPERATORS MUST REPORT SAFETY AND/OR SECURITY
INCIDENTS TO THE FAA AT +1 202-267-3333.
END PART 4 OF 4. 23 APR 22:30 2014 UNTIL 1504270001. CREATED: 23 APR 22:16 2014
 
Can someone fill me in, when did Richard Quest become an expert and how?

I'm a masochist, I know. But I'm watching cnn
 
Why are flights being dispatched with routing over active war zones? This blogger posted just two days ago and predicted this:
Tuesday, 15 July 2014
High over eastern Ukraine

Yesterday's news that long-range anti-aircraft rockets, apparently fired from Russia, downed a Ukrainian transport plane flying at 21,000ft, is worrying. Today, a Ukrainian jet bombed separatists in Snizhne, near Donetsk. Take a look at eastern Ukraine on FlightRadar24.com, and you'll see a procession of civilian aircraft flying along an air corridor between Luhansk, Donetsk, Horlivka, Kramatorsk - places where battles are raging and people are being killed. Yet blithely oblivious to what's happening on the ground, some of the world's largest civilian airliners are criss-crossing the area at 38,000ft.

Below: a Pakistan International Airlines Airbus A330, followed by a Singapore Airlines Airbus A380, flying over the battlefields below. Other planes from India, Malaysia, Qatar, Austria, Germany are also overflying this area (click to enlarge). Eddie reminds me of the shooting down of Iran Air Flight 655 by a guided missile from the USS Vincennes over the Persian Gulf in 1988 resulting in the death of 290 people.



Below: let's take a closer look at the flightpath of that A380... I don't think flying over a warzone in a passenger jet with several hundred people on board is a good idea. Incidentally, Russian airlines flying to Simferopol in Russian-occupied Crimea, as well as other Black Sea airports to the east, are skirting around eastern Ukrainian today - something they weren't doing yesterday. Before, they'd fly directly over Ukraine, the shortest air route from the Black Sea to Moscow and St Petersburg. Today, they are avoiding Ukrainian airspace east of Dnepropetrovsk and Kharkiv.



Shouldn't there be a no-fly zone for civilian passenger jets? Ukraine has maintained an exclusion zone around Chernobyl since independence - should it not, for the sake of the safety of tens of thousands of passengers flying overhead each day, close off the airspace around the conflict zone?
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http://jeziorki.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/high-over-eastern-ukraine.html
 
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