Malaysia Airlines 777 missing

It's cheaper if you steal one though. Plus, (conspiracy theory hats on) two Iranian nationals boarded the flight with stolen passports...

Still, it does Iran no good to steal one. Whats one 777 going to do for them? They can't use it without it being seen that they have it.

And the stolen passport thing.....I said it on page 1 of this thread, that's nothing more than a petty theft and fraud right now, as there is nothing to link that event to any foul play.
 
This entire thing could be about to get way more bizarre:



WSJ

U.S. investigators suspect that Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 stayed in the air for about four hours past the time it reached its last confirmed location, according to two people familiar with the details, raising the possibility that the plane could have flown on for hundreds of additional miles under conditions that remain murky.

Aviation investigators and national security officials believe the plane flew for a total of five hours based on data automatically downloaded and sent to the ground from the Boeing Co. 777's engines as part of a routine maintenance and monitoring program.

That raises a host of new questions and possibilities about what happened aboard the widebody jet carrying 239 people, which vanished from civilian air-traffic control radar over the weekend, about one hour into a flight to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur.

Six days after the mysterious disappearance prompted a massive international air and water search that so far hasn't produced any results, the investigation appears to be broadening in scope.

U.S. counterterrorism officials are pursuing the possibility that a pilot or someone else on board the plane may have diverted it toward an undisclosed location after intentionally turning off the jetliner's transponders to avoid radar detection, according to one person tracking the probe.

The investigation remains fluid, and it isn't clear whether investigators have evidence indicating possible terrorism or espionage. So far, U.S. national security officials have said that nothing specifically points toward terrorism, though they haven't ruled it out.

But the huge uncertainty about where the plane was headed, and why it apparently continued flying so long without working transponders, has raised theories among investigators that the aircraft may have been commandeered for a reason that appears unclear to U.S. authorities. Some of those theories have been laid out to national security officials and senior personnel from various U.S. agencies, according to one person familiar with the matter.

At one briefing, according to this person, officials were told investigators are actively pursuing the notion that the plane was diverted "with the intention of using it later for another purpose."

As of Wednesday it remained unclear whether the plane reached an alternate destination or if it ultimately crashed, potentially hundreds of miles from where an international search effort has been focused.

The engines' onboard monitoring system is provided by their manufacturer, Rolls-Royce, and it periodically sends bursts of data about engine health, operations and aircraft movements to facilities on the ground.

Rolls-Royce couldn't immediately be reached for comment.

As part of its maintenance agreements, Malaysia Airlines transmits its engine data live to Rolls-Royce for analysis. The system compiles data from inside the 777's two Trent 800 engines and transmits snapshots of performance, as well as the altitude and speed of the jet.

Those snippets are compiled and transmitted in 30-minute increments, said one person familiar with the system. According to Rolls-Royce's website, the data is processed automatically "so that subtle changes in condition from one flight to another can be detected."

The engine data is being analyzed to help determine the flight path of the plane after the transponders stopped working. The jet was originally headed for China, and its last verified position was half way across the Gulf of Thailand.

A total flight time of five hours after departing Kuala Lumpur means the Boeing 777 could have continued for an additional distance of about 2,200 nautical miles, reaching points as far as the Indian Ocean, the border of Pakistan or even the Arabian Sea, based on the jet's cruising speed.

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This entire thing could be about to get way more bizarre:



WSJ

U.S. investigators suspect that Malaysia Airlines 3786.KU -2.04% Flight 370 stayed in the air for about four hours past the time it reached its last confirmed location, according to two people familiar with the details, raising the possibility that the plane could have flown on for hundreds of additional miles under conditions that remain murky.
Aviation investigators and national security officials believe the plane flew for a total of five hours based on data automatically downloaded and sent to the ground from the Boeing Co. 777's engines as part of a routine maintenance and monitoring program.
That raises a host of new questions and possibilities about what happened aboard the widebody jet carrying 239 people, which vanished from civilian air-traffic control radar over the weekend, about one hour into a flight to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur.

Six days after the mysterious disappearance prompted a massive international air and water search that so far hasn't produced any results, the investigation appears to be broadening in scope.

U.S. counterterrorism officials are pursuing the possibility that a pilot or someone else on board the plane may have diverted it toward an undisclosed location after intentionally turning off the jetliner's transponders to avoid radar detection, according to one person tracking the probe.

The investigation remains fluid, and it isn't clear whether investigators have evidence indicating possible terrorism or espionage. So far, U.S. national security officials have said that nothing specifically points toward terrorism, though they haven't ruled it out.

But the huge uncertainty about where the plane was headed, and why it apparently continued flying so long without working transponders, has raised theories among investigators that the aircraft may have been commandeered for a reason that appears unclear to U.S. authorities. Some of those theories have been laid out to national security officials and senior personnel from various U.S. agencies, according to one person familiar with the matter.

At one briefing, according to this person, officials were told investigators are actively pursuing the notion that the plane was diverted "with the intention of using it later for another purpose."
As of Wednesday it remained unclear whether the plane reached an alternate destination or if it ultimately crashed, potentially hundreds of miles from where an international search effort has been focused.

U.S. investigators suspect that Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 stayed in the air for about four hours past the time it reached its last confirmed location, according to two people familiar with the details, raising the possibility that the plane could have flown on for hundreds of additional miles under conditions that remain murky.

Aviation investigators and national security officials believe the plane flew for a total of five hours based on data automatically downloaded and sent to the ground from the Boeing Co. 777's engines as part of a routine maintenance and monitoring program.

Six days after the mysterious disappearance prompted a massive international air and water search that so far hasn't produced any results, the investigation appears to be broadening in scope.
U.S. counterterrorism officials are pursuing the possibility that a pilot or someone else on board the plane may have diverted it toward an undisclosed location after intentionally turning off the jetliner's transponders to avoid radar detection, according to one person tracking the probe.

The investigation remains fluid, and it isn't clear whether investigators have evidence indicating possible terrorism or espionage. So far, U.S. national security officials have said that nothing specifically points toward terrorism, though they haven't ruled it out.

But the huge uncertainty about where the plane was headed, and why it apparently continued flying so long without working transponders, has raised theories among investigators that the aircraft may have been commandeered for a reason that appears unclear to U.S. authorities. Some of those theories have been laid out to national security officials and senior personnel from various U.S. agencies, according to one person familiar with the matter.

At one briefing, according to this person, officials were told investigators are actively pursuing the notion that the plane was diverted "with the intention of using it later for another purpose."

As of Wednesday it remained unclear whether the plane reached an alternate destination or if it ultimately crashed, potentially hundreds of miles from where an international search effort has been focused.

The engines' onboard monitoring system is provided by their manufacturer, Rolls-Royce, and it periodically sends bursts of data about engine health, operations and aircraft movements to facilities on the ground.

Rolls-Royce couldn't immediately be reached for comment.

As part of its maintenance agreements, Malaysia Airlines transmits its engine data live to Rolls-Royce for analysis. The system compiles data from inside the 777's two Trent 800 engines and transmits snapshots of performance, as well as the altitude and speed of the jet.

Those snippets are compiled and transmitted in 30-minute increments, said one person familiar with the system. According to Rolls-Royce's website, the data is processed automatically "so that subtle changes in condition from one flight to another can be detected."

The engine data is being analyzed to help determine the flight path of the plane after the transponders stopped working. The jet was originally headed for China, and its last verified position was half way across the Gulf of Thailand.

A total flight time of five hours after departing Kuala Lumpur means the Boeing 777 could have continued for an additional distance of about 2,200 nautical miles, reaching points as far as the Indian Ocean, the border of Pakistan or even the Arabian Sea, based on the jet's cruising speed.

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Wow. Thanks for posting it. That is some creepy chit. This would change everything.
 
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Why did it take so long for this type of data to be released? I'm curious if this would be the same if it were an American airliner flying from LA to Hawaii. The NTSB would have demanded this information from the engine manufacturer right from the get go. No??
 
Why did it take so long for this type of data to be released? I'm curious if this would be the same if it were an American airliner flying from LA to Hawaii. The NTSB would have demanded this information from the engine manufacturer right from the get go. No??

Sure they'd get the data from the get go, why not...

But why does it have to be public from the get go? Should it be?

Personally, I'd vastly prefer them to sit tight, get as much info as they can, keep their mouth shut other than some very basic details -- assuming they do not suspect that the event would relate to other 777s around the world (which I think we can assume at this point, is somewhat unlikely, i.e. opposite the British Airways flameout on final).

The public is not entitled to information on day three of an investigation that could be terrorism.
 
Why did it take so long for this type of data to be released? I'm curious if this would be the same if it were an American airliner flying from LA to Hawaii. The NTSB would have demanded this information from the engine manufacturer right from the get go. No??
Which has been my point from the get go, these guys are bumbling this investigation
 
Based on that WSJ article, it's good to see the involvement of U.S. agencies schooled in this type of investigation. Way to take initiative to get some work done.
 
Sure they'd get the data from the get go, why not...

But why does it have to be public from the get go? Should it be?

Personally, I'd vastly prefer them to sit tight, get as much info as they can, keep their mouth shut other than some very basic details -- assuming they do not suspect that the event would relate to other 777s around the world (which I think we can assume at this point, is somewhat unlikely, i.e. opposite the British Airways flameout on final).

The public is not entitled to information on day three of an investigation that could be terrorism.
Keeping it from us (the public) I get. But not using it to help narrow the search field seems a bit odd.
 
The Asiana accident in SFO was on the net I hours though the final report hasn't been presented we basically know what happened.
Gee, do you think that had anything to do with the hundreds of eye witnesses, real time videos of the incident, in the daytime, in the US, at a major airport, news agencies rushing to the scene and with the NTSB in charge and on site very quickly? Stunning analysis and comparison Mr. Holmes. Good grief.
 
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Keeping it from us (the public) I get. But not using it to help narrow the search field seems a bit odd.

As others have said previously in this post, there is a lot missing here (especially with regards to the ACARS data). Specifically, I truly believe Boeing knows a lot more than is being released.

Maybe they wanted everyone to think it was in a certain spot or information was only given to only certain agencies due to security issues.

We don't know yet.
 
Is engine data live streamed to MX control? Once the aircraft went missing and they feared it had crashed, wouldn't MX control immediately know the aircraft was still airborne? Or wouldn't they be able to see the periodic updates?
 
The NTSB, the FAA and the Boeing teams over there are not just sitting around twiddling their thumbs and not working their own mini investigation, putting together data, information, etc. Has anyone assumed otherwise? They will release what they will release when they are ready/able to. This is obvious and no surprise. Remember too, that they are not calling the shots in this accident or in the investigation. Does anyone even know if MAS has an agreement to have the ACARS transmits also distributed to/shared with Boeing?
 
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As others have said previously in this post, there is a lot missing here (especially with regards to the ACARS data). Specifically, I truly believe Boeing knows a lot more than is being released.

Maybe they wanted everyone to think it was in a certain spot or information was only given to only certain agencies due to security issues.

We don't know yet.
I think Seggy hit the nail on the head with this one. I know it is a longshot but I hope for survivors and also hope for peace for the family members on board.
 
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