Malaysia Airlines 777 missing

Supposedly they found some debris before it got dark out last night. An "inner door" and a piece of the vertical stabilizer which you would assume would have some of the Livery on it thus identifying it.
 
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CNN confirms:

Vietnam's navy has spotted another floating object about 80 kilometers (50 miles) southwest of Vietnam's Tho Chu Island, which is located off the country's southwest coast in the Gulf of Thailand, Vietnam National Search and Rescue Committee Spokesman Hung Nguyen told CNN. The object was spotted by a Vietnamese navy rescue aircraft at about 7:30 a.m. ET Sunday (6:30 p.m. local time). Due to the dark, the navy aircraft could not get close enough to identify the floating object, and was recalled to base. Three search and rescue boats have since been deployed to that location.
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Apparently the first object spotted was a false alarm.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/09/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/
 
mikecweb said:
Supposedly they found some debris before it got dark out last night. An "inner door" and a piece of the vertical stabilizer which you would assume would have some of the Livery on it thus identifying it.
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Since "something" was spotted by a Navy plane from a certain height off the water during the evening, how could they possibly make an exact ID on whatever it was enough to discern "an inner door" or a piece of a vs"? A ship would need to actually reach the item or items and pick them up or examine them more closely. A lot of crap is found floating in the sea cast off from freighters and other vessels. This harkens to the supposed "slicks". None of them have been tested. Between actual oil, fuel, slicks from vessels, algae blooms, coral dust and other marine/biological phenomena, many things can again look like "something" but no identifying of the "somethings" has actually taken place. Even the confusion over stolen passports being reported by various "sources" ranging in numbers from 2 to 4 to 10 now.

Everyone is looking for clues and answers, but there are next to none at this point.
 
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AM011309 said:
Had a discussion at work the other day how Mythbusters is the new 'has to be true' LOL. Back in the day if someone questioned your facts you would tell them, "Go look it up," knowing that no one actually would. And now if you get into a discussion about things you can back it up with, "They Mythbusted that!" :biggrin:

Not saying they DIDN'T Mythbust stamp on a rotor, you just reminded me of it.
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Now a days you can whip out the trusty cell phone and go to Wikipedia. ;) I've probably used myth busters as a source a hundred times. What a good show.

Edit: maybe I should start checking snopes.com to verify mythbusters :P
 
A Life Aloft said:
Since "something" was spotted by a Navy plane from a certain height off the water during the evening, how could they possibly make an exact ID on whatever it was enough to discern "an inner door" or a piece of a vs"? A ship would need to actually reach the item or items and pick them up or examine them more closely. A lot of crap is found floating in the sea cast off from freighters and other vessels. This harkens to the supposed "slicks". None of them have been tested. Between actual oil, fuel, slicks from vessels, algae blooms, coral dust and other marine/biological phenomena, many things can again look like "something" but no identifying of the "somethings" has actually taken place. Even the confusion over stolen passports being reported by various "sources" ranging in numbers from 2 to 4 to 10 now.

Everyone is looking for clues and answers, but there are next to none at this point.
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I'm not sure I wasn't there. I'd assume though if they saw a vertical stabilizer you'd see some paint on it and make the connection.
 
I_Money said:
@Derg or similar - reports today state 5 people checked in but never boarded and their bags had to be unloaded. That seems like a high number - I would imagine one or two being too drunk but 5 seemed a lot. Is it?
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Nah, not really.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
Yup. One of my early instructors said "there's really not much people on the ground can do for you." Those words have stuck with me.
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When I lost an engine out of ORD way back in the day, once we were established on a nice long downwind (and I took a few more slugs of my Egg McMuffin, we sent a message to flight control about the situation and that we were returning to the the airport, we didn't hear a peep out of them until we were packing up our stuff to head to the hotel.
 
Derg said:
When I lost an engine out of ORD way back in the day, once we were established on a nice long downwind (and I took a few more slugs of my Egg McMuffin, we sent a message to flight control about the situation and that we were returning to the the airport, we didn't hear a peep out of them until we were packing up our stuff to head to the hotel.
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Like a baws
 
For two reasons, I really hope that this aircraft was stolen/hijacked. For one, that would give much better odds that all the innocent people are still alive and the potential • bags responsible can be brought to justice. And two, this would make for one hell of a story after it is all said and done. With that said, my expectation is that the simplest scenario is the most likely: all those poor folks suffered an unintentional catastrophic event and are now resting on the sea floor waiting to be found and brought home. :(
 
Anyone have a good reason why flight data is still stored in the black boxes and not relayed and stored on the ground?
 
These are truly sad news... RIP

I'm not saying this is the case for this particular accident, and i don't know about you guys (probably in the States where things work is better you don't feel this way) but i still feel very vulnerable with regards to security. Pax carrying guns, home-made bombs, bombs in dispatched luggage or even in catering. Security is still a concern for me.
 
BeReal said:
Anyone have a good reason why flight data is still stored in the black boxes and not relayed and stored on the ground?
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That's a good question!
knot4u, i think he is asking this in a more general sense, not for this particular make/model/airline. There are probable legal issues, perhaps a risk of CVR data being used for other purposes than accident investigation (such as FOQA or even small talk)...
 
BeReal said:
Anyone have a good reason why flight data is still stored in the black boxes and not relayed and stored on the ground?
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Sheer cost. It's relatively inexpensive to send maintenance messages over satcom or some HF, it becomes a whole lot more data to send all in a sudden and I'm not even sure the satellites used for SATCOM could handle so much data from so much airplanes flying at the same time...?
 
Pépé le Pilot said:
Sheer cost. It's relatively inexpensive to send maintenance messages over satcom or some HF, it becomes a whole lot more data to send all in a sudden and I'm not even sure the satellites used for SATCOM could handle so much data from so much airplanes flying at the same time...?
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That makes sense. Didn't think about the enormity of data aspect.
 
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