amorris311
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Steve if you weren't leaving the plan is to open a JFK council sometime next year. We were waiting for the displacement of all the turbo prop guys.
Steve if you weren't leaving the plan is to open a JFK council sometime next year. We were waiting for the displacement of all the turbo prop guys.
It was an effort to save money and make sure that everyone who was going to be based in JFK have a vote. I know there seems to be a disconnect and I apologize about that. I'm only in office for another 10 days or so but if you need anything or anyone that you know does please email or call me.
Go see how much I expense toward the union. If you have a problem with my expenses let me know.Steve, you just need to see their side of things. If they didn't save all that money by not having JFK reps, they may not be able to afford the alcohol after the meetings that are just for politicking. Quick being so selfish and understand they need their booze more than you need representation.
Yeah Eagle's ALPA peeps got caught in a big drinking debacle last month, took the company's side and used fear to pass an industry lowering TA, and then voted in a dues increase. Sad.
From the outside looking in, One List/One Union would solve about half of this in a heartbeat. Realistically (in my own uninformed opinion) all it takes is a small hit to the "haves". I could be of course very wrong about that. In my own union experience, NATCA refused to leave the new people behind (or if you'd prefer trade scope for pay). As it ended up, my brother's and sister's gave up raises to ensure people like me would be on an equal plane. As a result, NATCA can spend how ever much of my dues on whatever they want and I won't gripe. When your proverbial 1% forgo raises, endure pay cuts, etc just so you can one day have their standard of living. That's solidarity.
I just checked NATCA.ORG. There are no threads about raising dues, or alcohol expenditures. In fact our first new checkout due to our contract will make 50% more than me even though we've done this job just as long and all his time until now was in the middle of nowhere. Good for him. Thats what solidarity is.
Unions aren't fair, but they should strive to be. I hate to say it, but pilot unions appear to be fractured beyond repair. Main Line MEC fighting Main Line MEC vs Regional MEC's. How does that even work? You're starting off fractured.
Again, just one man's opinion after zero research.
Let me tell you about what happened to my father's and his coworkers' (e.g. Derg) retirement...and their work rules, and their pay...From the outside looking in, One List/One Union would solve about half of this in a heartbeat. Realistically (in my own uninformed opinion) all it takes is a small hit to the "haves". I could be of course very wrong about that. In my own union experience, NATCA refused to leave the new people behind (or if you'd prefer trade scope for pay). As it ended up, my brother's and sister's gave up raises to ensure people like me would be on an equal plane. As a result, NATCA can spend how ever much of my dues on whatever they want and I won't gripe. When your proverbial 1% forgo raises, endure pay cuts, etc just so you can one day have their standard of living. That's solidarity.
Let me tell you about what happened to my father's and his coworkers' (e.g. Derg) retirement...and their work rules, and their pay...
I didn't mean to kick a hornets nest or anything. I guess from the outside looking in, if your company is as vulnerable to bankruptcy or what have you, the powers that be might see the benefit of One List or something similar to protect everyone at any stage in their career. Obviously it isn't as easy as I thought. I'm acutely aware that retirements, pay and work rules aren't what they were for pilots 12 years ago. Do I know exactly know to what degree? No. I do understand however there has been a huge nosedive.
I think Kellwolf did a great job in putting it all in perspective for me. I never really thought about multiple hiring cycles. If I caused any heartburn I'm sorry. I feel like the current decline of the pilot side of this industry is an absolute travesty.
You just want to bid into the Bro, don't lie.Just to be clear, when you hear XJT/ASA/SKW folks spout off about one list (and by that, I really mean me spouting off about one list), it's only in reference to all the airlines that are operated by Skywest Inc., not every carrier in the country.
Hell , I want to fly the Bro. If only AMF would hire into the left seat in SJU.You just want to bid into the Bro, don't lie.
Gonzo said:Hell , I want to fly the Bro. If only AMF would hire into the left seat in SJU.
slaab is not brakillya...I thought silver was hiring street CA's.
Hell , I want to fly the Bro. If only AMF would hire into the left seat in SJU.
They still do. Probably has to do with insurance and the fact the FO slot is an entry level position. It would take 5 years for a bro FO to get the insurance mins.When I was there, Amflight wouldn't even upgrade their Bro FO's straight into the left seat of the thing. They had to go get some time in the Metro first.
Never made much sense to me.
They still do. Probably has to do with insurance and the fact the FO slot is an entry level position. It would take 5 years for a bro FO to get the insurance mins.