Looks Like the Thunderbird's and Blue Angels are Scheduling Shows Again

[A Life Aloft]

Here you go Seggy.....this will make you happy............we'll just give the teams a couple of these to ride in.....

and give them a small fleet of these to fly....

 

[derg]

That bus is retro-awesome!

 

[Nark]

So what you and @Nark are saying is that it is OK we still have these Thunderbirds and Blue Angels flying as the military is over budget so 'who cares'?

I didn't realize what an intellectual powerhouse I was talking with.
You read and comprehended 0 of what I posted in this thread.


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[Seggy]

I didn't realize what an intellectual powerhouse I was talking with.

I am not.

You read and comprehended 0 of what I posted in this thread.


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I just call it like I see it. You are bitching about your tax payer money going to support things you don't like. Yet, when there is something like the Blue Angels or Thunderbirds that can actually be cut (BTW, is their budget REALLY 30,000,000 a year? sounds cheap), you say 'they aren't the problem'.

Military spending, no matter if it is the Thunderbirds/Blue Angels or a General's pet project, is a big problem especially when veterans and current troops aren't getting what they need.

 

[Nark]

@Seggy

Again, go back to the sexism thread. My whole point was since I was contributing to the 'deal' I have the ability to complain about it.

Complain all you want about the Tbirds and the Blues. You're paying for them. I'll just sit back and counter your points.


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[Seggy]

@Seggy

Again, go back to the sexism thread. My whole point was since I was contributing to the 'deal' I have the ability to complain about it.

Complain all you want about the Tbirds and the Blues. You're paying for them. I'll just sit back and counter your points.


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Why do you want to prevent others from getting government assistance to do what they want to do when money is being wasted on things like the Thunderbirds, Blue Angels, and other military spending projects?

 

[SeanD]

That bus is retro-awesome!

That bus is awesome! This was the BDD tour bus (airport shuttle) for our spring/summer east coast tour. We borrowed the trailer from GWAR The thing was a real POS but awesome. The AC blew out the 2nd day of the tour causing a small fire and it broke down with other problems about 6 times.

 

[USMCmech]

I think that the modest expense of military participation in airshows is actually a good use of taxpayer money (as is PBS and the national park system). Keeping the military in their own little bubble, out of the public's view is bad for our country. Civilians have a right to see what they are paying for.

(BTW, is their budget REALLY 30,000,000 a year? sounds cheap

Yep, that sounds about right. I can't speak for the Tbirds, but the Blues are actually really a low budget operation. They use worn out Hornets that are headed for the boneyard anyway. They operate out of some pretty old facilities at Pensacola. The entire operation is designed with minimum cost in mind. The only area that they interfere with the fleet is their priority on parts. They can cannibalize parts from any non deployed unit if required. This isn't nearly as big an issue recently as it was in the 90s, but it does keep their show schedule running.

 

[Firebird2XC]

Let's give it to the Civil Air Patrol! Woot!

"At airshow left, here comes ten T-41's demonstrating a standarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrd rate turn! Put your hands together!"

I LOL'd.

 

[A Life Aloft]

It is wasteful when you have Vets fighting for their rightfully earned benefits, our VA hospitals in disrepair, and soliders having issues getting paid.

Military spending, no matter if it is the Thunderbirds/Blue Angels or a General's pet project, is a big problem especially when veterans and current troops aren't getting what they need.

@Seggy

Since you are obviously so very passionate about Vets and their varied issues, I can only assume that over the course of the last few decades (at least as long as we have been in combat in the Middle East) that you have volunteered your personal time and efforts and opened up your own wallet instead of waiting patiently for Uncle Sam to do so and have been contributing financially to the countless numbers of various worthwhile charities, outreach programs, and huge numbers of other programs that support and bolster Vets and their families in numerous ways and that you have also rallied your family members, circle of business associates, neighbors and friends to do the same?

Or is this all about ranting on a message board about Air Shows, really what you perceive about political factions? Would this be akin to you ranting about Newtown and gun control, but yet you never managed to send a dime to their memorial fund?

This isn't just another case of

All flash but no substance.

is it?

 

[Pilot Fighter]

Military spending, no matter if it is the Thunderbirds/Blue Angels or a General's pet project, is a big problem especially when veterans and current troops aren't getting what they need.

What does defense spending have to do with veterans benefits?

It makes as much sense to say that excessive Department of Energy spending is keeping veterans from getting the medical care they deserve. DOD, DOE, and DVA are independent departments.

 

[Nark]

Never let facts get in the way of a liberal's argument.
It'll ruin their day.

 

[Seggy]

I think that the modest expense of military participation in airshows is actually a good use of taxpayer money (as is PBS and the national park system).

It isn't a good expense when the 'fiscal conservatives', want to cut Obamacare and other social programs that help more taxpayers than people will see at an air show.

Keeping the military in their own little bubble, out of the public's view is bad for our country. Civilians have a right to see what they are paying for.

Unlike you may think, most civilians in this country will never go to an airshow in their life. There are other ways for them to see what they are paying for.

Yep, that sounds about right. I can't speak for the Tbirds, but the Blues are actually really a low budget operation. They use worn out Hornets that are headed for the boneyard anyway. They operate out of some pretty old facilities at Pensacola. The entire operation is designed with minimum cost in mind. The only area that they interfere with the fleet is their priority on parts. They can cannibalize parts from any non deployed unit if required. This isn't nearly as big an issue recently as it was in the 90s, but it does keep their show schedule running.

Even though it may be 'cheap', $30,000,000 can provide a lot of better used social services for our taxpayers.

 

[Seggy]

@Seggy

Since you are obviously so very passionate about Vets and their varied issues, I can only assume that over the course of the last few decades (at least as long as we have been in combat in the Middle East) that you have volunteered your personal time and efforts and opened up your own wallet instead of waiting patiently for Uncle Sam to do so and have been contributing financially to the countless numbers of various worthwhile charities, outreach programs, and huge numbers of other programs that support and bolster Vets and their families in numerous ways and that you have also rallied your family members, circle of business associates, neighbors and friends to do the same?

Or is this all about ranting on a message board about Air Shows, really what you perceive about political factions? Would this be akin to you ranting about Newtown and gun control, but yet you never managed to send a dime to their memorial fund?

This isn't just another case of
is it?

Oh, so I have to give money to causes in order to passionately support them?

 

[Seggy]

Never let facts get in the way of a liberal's argument.
It'll ruin their day.

Once again, why do you want to deny people from getting help from the government?

 

[A Life Aloft]

Oh, so I have to give money to causes in order to passionately support them?

Yes, it's called putting your wallet and your personal efforts where your mouth is. If you don't volunteer your time and/or don't donate any money, or help a vet find a job or a hundred other things you could be doing, then how are you "passionately supporting" anything or anyone? With vacant lip service? Do you really think that matters, changes or improves anything? That doesn't cut it and does nothing for Vets or anyone else. Cripes, you can't even get it together enough to send a few care packages overseas for Christmas or maybe visit a VA hospital and bring some goodies or needed items? Let them know someone really cares and is thinking of them? Find the nearest group that collects toys, food and trees for the families of those deployed? Wounded Warrior even has a project every year to adopt a family of a wounded warrior to provide meals and presents for their children. You can even buy some savings bonds for their kid's education down the road. I could list dozens of other options, but what's the point. With the kind of passion you have/ are willing to offer, there just is no point.

 

[Pilot Fighter]

Some interesting claims have been made.

- You can't support flight demonstration teams and consider yourself a fiscal conservative.

- DOD and DVA compete for the same dollar.

- If you are a fiscal conservative, you must oppose entitlement programs.

- If you are a fiscal conservative you must oppose funding for NPR, PBS, and other public services.

The fact is, being a fiscal conservative says little about your politics or programs you support, it simply means that you support responsible and sustainable spending epitomized by balanced budgets.

Our system is broken. This is best demonstrated by the fact that Congress can reject the budgets and spending priorities of military leaders and authorize whatever the hell they want. Don't tell me that the Blue Angels are keeping one dime out of the pocket of a deserving veteran, or single mom for that matter. That might make for compelling Internet rhetoric but it's not true - things don't work that way.

 

[Seggy]

Some interesting claims have been made.

- You can't support flight demonstration teams and consider yourself a fiscal conservative.

- DOD and DVA compete for the same dollar.

- If you are a fiscal conservative, you must oppose entitlement programs.

- If you are a fiscal conservative you must oppose funding for NPR, PBS, and other public services.

The fact is, being a fiscal conservative says little about your politics or programs you support, it simply means that you support responsible and sustainable spending epitomized by balanced budgets.

Our system is broken. This is best demonstrated by the fact that Congress can reject the budgets and spending priorities of military leaders and authorize whatever the hell they want. Don't tell me that the Blue Angels are keeping one dime out of the pocket of a deserving veteran, or single mom for that matter. That might make for compelling Internet rhetoric but it's not true - things don't work that way.

I am just pointing out the hypocrisy I see.

 

[Seggy]

Yes, it's called putting your wallet and your personal efforts where your mouth is. If you don't volunteer your time and/or don't donate any money, or help a vet find a job or a hundred other things you could be doing, then how are you "passionately supporting" anything or anyone? With vacant lip service? Do you really think that matters, changes or improves anything? That doesn't cut it and does nothing for Vets or anyone else. Cripes, you can't even get it together enough to send a few care packages overseas for Christmas or maybe visit a VA hospital and bring some goodies or needed items? Let them know someone really cares and is thinking of them? Find the nearest group that collects toys, food and trees for the families of those deployed? Wounded Warrior even has a project every year to adopt a family of a wounded warrior to provide meals and presents for their children. You can even buy some savings bonds for their kid's education down the road. I could list dozens of other options, but what's the point. With the kind of passion you have/ are willing to offer, there just is no point.

Once again, why do you correlate the fact that I need to be charitable to be passionate about something?

BTW, I do give money to different causes that help those less fortunate as the social welfare programs just don't cut it.

 

[A Life Aloft]

Once again, why do you correlate the fact that I need to be charitable to be passionate about something?

BTW, I do give money to different causes that help those less fortunate as the social welfare programs just don't cut it.

Just not to Vets that you claim to so passionately support and have the nerve to deride others on here because of how much you really care about Vets. You want to define "hypocrisy" again?