longest commercial taxi time.......
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OldTownPilot
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JetBlue JFK, Valentines day weekend, 8+ hours
brent p h
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Wow that's a long taxi that's for sure!
Last night in ATL I did 3.5 hours and never even got off the RAMP before we finally gave up. According to the ground control the line for de-icing was about 50-70 planes deep and they were completing 3-4 per HOUR!!!!! That doesn't count the folks still stuck on the ramps and in the gates....just those on the taxiways
Velocipede
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ORD on a bad WX day. About 3.5 hours.
brent p h
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3.5 hour? I would imagine a lot of that time has too do with runway crossing restrictions. Is it the norm on such an instance too taxi on one engine when this occurs? I have also reviews a 737 checklist that says the packs are turned of after landing. On a cold day would this happen also? (And what do you guys do on a 3.5 hour taxi)? Wow!
JFK - PVD normal day 2.5 hours taxi time for a 40 minute flight. Got sandwiched in line between two 747s who I don't think noticed me at all in my B1900. I think I needed one of those flags attached to my tail like on one those kiddie grocery carts in Ikea.
Actually I had to make a decision, I went below min fuel for takeoff 30 minutes into the taxi because we just started flying out of JFK and had no clue it would take so long, so I couldn't takeoff and had to go back to the gate for fuel.
Since I work for Mesa, we only get paid for historical average block time, and not block or better, so I elected to taxi for 2 more hours all the way to the runway (knowing I couldn't takeoff), and then asked to go back to the gate. Return to gate pays block. So got paid for 3.1 hours for the taxi. Got fuel. Got back in line, this time single engine taxied out to the runway. Took 2 hours to get to the runway this time, get to PVD 45 minutes later, got paid 40 minutes for the second 3-hour attempt to get to PVD.
Actually I had to make a decision, I went below min fuel for takeoff 30 minutes into the taxi because we just started flying out of JFK and had no clue it would take so long, so I couldn't takeoff and had to go back to the gate for fuel.
Since I work for Mesa, we only get paid for historical average block time, and not block or better, so I elected to taxi for 2 more hours all the way to the runway (knowing I couldn't takeoff), and then asked to go back to the gate. Return to gate pays block. So got paid for 3.1 hours for the taxi. Got fuel. Got back in line, this time single engine taxied out to the runway. Took 2 hours to get to the runway this time, get to PVD 45 minutes later, got paid 40 minutes for the second 3-hour attempt to get to PVD.
This may be a silly question, but I honestly don't know the answer: If you are taxiing around for 2.5 hours and return to the gate, can you log that time? Or is it you can just log time that the plane is actually moving for the purpose of flight?
I had an instructor once who said that taxi time is loggable. I told him he was padding his logbook with taxi time. He said I was understating my total time. Who's right?
I had an instructor once who said that taxi time is loggable. I told him he was padding his logbook with taxi time. He said I was understating my total time. Who's right?
Nick
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I'm sure the passengers loved that.
OldTownPilot
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SpiceWeasel
Tre Kronor
Our pax were pissed because we had to wait in line for 1 hour + for de-ice.
HighFlyingIL
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yea well.. they dont realizd that 1/16" of ice decreases overall lift by 40% according to some stuff I was reading in Flying magazine last winter...
Minuteman
I HAVE STRONG OPINIONS ABOUT AUTOMOTIVE LIGHTING!
Jesus! Some of those airlines oughta codeshare with Amtrak or some gypsy cabs or something.
Nick
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The passengers with working brains won't be pissed about the de-ice part.
They will be pissed about sitting in line for more than an hour to get it!
BajtheJino
I'm looking at you.
Where did you get the idea taxi time is no time? Heres an example to think about-If you're doing full stop taxi backs do you note the hobbs on landing, then note the hobbs on take-off over and over and over and then note the hobbs when you get back to the field after the last one and subtract all that from the total hobbs?
Thats a lot of work to cheat yourself. When I was renting airplanes I logged the time the flight school charged me for! WHY CHEAT YOURSELF!
Longest taxi for me in the 208-1.5 at BWI.
Where did you get the idea taxi time is no time? Heres an example to think about-If you're doing full stop taxi backs do you note the hobbs on landing, then note the hobbs on take-off over and over and over and then note the hobbs when you get back to the field after the last one and subtract all that from the total hobbs?
Thats a lot of work to cheat yourself. When I was renting airplanes I logged the time the flight school charged me for! WHY CHEAT YOURSELF!
Well, if the aircraft is taxiing, it is not moving for the purpose of flight. I would not start logging "flight time" until we were on the takeoff roll.
And I was in my own aircraft, so I wasn't directly paying by the hour.
What if you are repositioning the aircraft from one place on the field to another? Is that flight time?
USMCmech
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The definition of "flight time" is from the time the aircraft leaves the ground untill the time it touches down again.
However
If you are taxiing to or from the runway, the aircraft "is moving under it's own power" "for the purpose of flight" and therefor is logable under the FARs.
Taxing to and from the fuel pumps, or from one parking spot to another, would not be flight time, because you do not intend to fly.
If your CFI told you anything different, then he is wrong.
BajtheJino
I'm looking at you.
Think about that.
What if you intend to fly, taxi to the runway, do your runup, discover a problem and then taxi back to the ramp? Is that loggable under the FARs? As flight time?