Logging Flight Time w/out a Takeoff?

[mshunter]

So you're basically saying that you depend entirely upon the airline's scheduling software to determine whether you are legal or not? Definitely not the answer I would want to give if the fed was asking why I exceeded my flight/duty limits.

No, I look at my schedule, which has my duty in time, overnights, flight times, etc. As a start. To make sure I'm legal I rely on the numbers I record on my printed trip sheets. It's not that complicated.

"I dutied in at " x" today. I turn into a pumpkin at "x" today as long as everything goes according to plan. Of it doesn't, I'll have to have another look at things. "

Edit to add: I just don't care that much about .2 or. 3 for a gate return in my log book. As for what's on my trip pairing I print out, it reflects every minute the brake was off, because to a fed, that's what matters, and to my QOL, that's also what matters.

 

[mshunter]

I don't know about you guys but I've got thousands of hours logged sitting in the fbo with a coffee, pen and writing down tail numbers that taxi past. Unlike mike I am desperate for time.

Meh. I've got enough hours now that the jobs I'm after, hours aren't the requirement I'm missing.

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

Meh. I've got enough hours now that the jobs I'm after, hours aren't the requirement I'm missing.

Hours matter for every job. Every scoring system assigns a value to flight time. Don't give up time that you're entitled to.

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

Charging 1.5 for a 1 hour flight is what is criminal.

You can buck the system all you want, but lone wolves tend to just be frustrated, angry people who never accomplish anything. The reality is two-fold:

1. That is how flight schools charge, whether you think it's right or not; and

2. The FAA says you're entitled to the flight time.

 

[mshunter]

Hours matter for every job. Every scoring system assigns a value to flight time. Don't give up time that you're entitled to.

If the 1.1 I don't log every year for a gate return DQ me oh well. With how fast the hours come at the 121 level, I'm not concerned about it. I'll break into the next point level when I update my app next month.

 

[Blackhawk]

Somewhat related to the discussion about how "taxi time does not count".

https://www.avemco.com/information/blogs/the-flight-isn’t-over-until-the-plane-is-in-the-hangar.aspx

Of note, pilots with less than 50 hours very rarely have taxi accidents.
Between 50-2500 hours taxi accidents account for 11% of all claims.
After 2500 hours, the taxi accidents actually go up to 13% of all claims.

There is a reason the FAA says flight time begins when the aircraft moves and does not stop until the airplane comes to a stop.

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

If the 1.1 I don't log every year for a gate return DQ me oh well. With how fast the hours come at the 121 level, I'm not concerned about it. I'll break into the next point level when I update my app next month.

I know a few people who couldn't get hired anywhere decent after a post 9/11 furlough because they were just a few hours short on their PIC time, and airlines like JetBlue and AirTran were making no exceptions. I bet you'd regret not logging that time if that was you.

But more importantly, why would you go out of your way to not log time that you're entitled to log? That's what I don't understand about your position. I've never seen a pilot so adamant about not logging time that he's entitled to log.

 

[nosehair]

91.13(b) is the regulation created to cover surface operations. (a) is for flight.
Ground operations are a normal part of conducting a flight. Basically you are responsible from untieing it til tie-down.
But that's not flight time. Responsibility is not a measure of flight time.
Neither is cost. Because the renter charges from engine start to engine stop is not a measure of flight time.
Just sayin'

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

Unless you have a business card that says "FAA General Counsel," then you might want to stop "just sayin'."

 

[Blackhawk]

91.13(b) is the regulation created to cover surface operations. (a) is for flight.
Ground operations are a normal part of conducting a flight. Basically you are responsible from untieing it til tie-down.
But that's not flight time. Responsibility is not a measure of flight time.
Neither is cost. Because the renter charges from engine start to engine stop is not a measure of flight time.
Just sayin'

Now you're just making stuff up.

 

[mshunter]

I know a few people who couldn't get hired anywhere decent after a post 9/11 furlough because they were just a few hours short on their PIC time, and airlines like JetBlue and AirTran were making no exceptions. I bet you'd regret not logging that time if that was you.

But more importantly, why would you go out of your way to not log time that you're entitled to log? That's what I don't understand about your position. I've never seen a pilot so adamant about not logging time that he's entitled to log.

I'm not going out of my way. I look at the FMS (out/in) and keep that time in the little black book, then transfer it to my main log book about every third week. I just don't track that time in the little book, because I'm not worried about it. Just a different mind set.