fish314
Well-Known Member
Hey falcon,
which version of the -135 are you on? I was an R model guy on block 25's and then 30's until 4 years ago. I was out at Kadena when they got the block 40, but I never got a chance to get qual'd in it.
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Hey falcon,
which version of the -135 are you on? I was an R model guy on block 25's and then 30's until 4 years ago. I was out at Kadena when they got the block 40, but I never got a chance to get qual'd in it.
Fly_Unity
Well-Known Member
I wouldn't treat a circuit breaker as a switch, They will wear down over time.
My plane has two batteries and I can turn one on and load everything up, and not having to worry about running the starter battery down.
or I will only set the first fix or two in the GPS and while I'm flying enter in the rest of the flight plan, litterally it only takes a min to enter everything in, and its good on the engine to be up to operating temp anyway
My plane has two batteries and I can turn one on and load everything up, and not having to worry about running the starter battery down.
or I will only set the first fix or two in the GPS and while I'm flying enter in the rest of the flight plan, litterally it only takes a min to enter everything in, and its good on the engine to be up to operating temp anyway
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
That's probably a fair point. I definitely don't have any idea what's right or wrong to do in a transport category aircraft, not having flown one. Just speaking from my personal experience. I think we're probably basically on the same page.
PGT
Well-Known Member
If it takes you 2 min to program the GPS with the engine running then you're saving $3.00 (if the airplane is $100/hr).
Having said that, the plane I frequently fly has a hobbs meter tied to the master switch so regardless if the engine is running or not, the hobbs is still ticking.
Having said that, the plane I frequently fly has a hobbs meter tied to the master switch so regardless if the engine is running or not, the hobbs is still ticking.
drunkenbeagle
Gang Member
I have whoever is sitting right seat do it after takeoff. Which is a good time, as they love to change my clearance 30 seconds after takeoff around here.
On the G1000, it is easy enough to do it in the air. Once the autopilot is on, you've got plenty of time....
I usually put the first few in after getting my clearance, then load the rest of them when in cruise. Who knows what will happen when you pick up your clearance, they could totally change your routing. As for a VFR flight, "we doon need no stinkin gps'es." Just look outside and read the sectional. If the airplane I use to teach in has a GPS, and we are doing a x-country, the first thing that happens is it get's turned off, or to a page that does no good for navigation. Learn how to do it the right way, then you can navigate the easy way.
bLizZuE
Calling for engine starts en français
Doing this prior to engine start sounds like an excellent way to keep your eyes outside once you start up, however I don't recommend pulling CBs for this. Each time a CB is pulled it's 'life expectancy' decreases slightly.
I make it a point to ensure my students do this method, as well as load and save multiple flight plans to ensure there is minimal reprogramming required in flight and enroute. However if you have a pilot friend available in the other seat they're the best choice
I make it a point to ensure my students do this method, as well as load and save multiple flight plans to ensure there is minimal reprogramming required in flight and enroute. However if you have a pilot friend available in the other seat they're the best choice
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
Yes, it certainly seems to be aircraft specific. New 172S and old C-135s, no, it seems. But the company I work for teaches it as mandatory cold weather practice on the mu2-35,36, and 60. They even have little plastic rings on the breakers in question to make them easier to pull. I guess the moral of the story is: Read the book, follow the procedure. Or maybe "sweeping statements are generally sweepingly wrong" (I include my "nah, it's fine" in that category).
The person may be needing to let the engine temps come up/stabilize so they don't have to sit at the hold short line for 3 minutes waiting. I can think of worse things to be doing with the engine running on the ramp than plugging in the flight plan. Checking a new ATIS is probably something I'd prefer to do, but if you need the engine to warm up, then program the GPS as long as you're paying enough attention to notice the plane sliding forward when/if your toes slip off of the brakes.
That said, I'd prefer to pre-program it. I can be drinking coffee and warming myself up while I'm warming up the engines.
...and imagine if we all just kept the tires inflated and got regular tune-ups. Oh wait....:nana2:
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What plane is it? Does the GPU start call for master on or off? If off, the GPU probably bypasses the battery bus which may bypass the hobbs meter. Depends on the installation.
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Bandit_Driver
Gold Member
As said earlier the airlines load theirs at the gate before push and the PNF updates the unit on taxi if there is any changes.
In GA I don't see a problem with loading it before engine start as it safer and cheaper to do it then, especially if you are single pilot. I would use caution about pulling breakers. You are setting yourself up for a problem later on if you forget to set one and if a FED were to see it he may raise an eyebrow or two.
If you are comfortable you can do it while taxing. I programmed them a lot on taxi when I was flying 135. I would just get the first 50 miles in or so and then get the rest once airborne an on the a/p. a lot of this will come down to familiarity with the unit, route, and grounds ops/congestion at the airport you are at. Just use your best judgment.
I personally love getting the departure changes 3 times on taxi out.
In GA I don't see a problem with loading it before engine start as it safer and cheaper to do it then, especially if you are single pilot. I would use caution about pulling breakers. You are setting yourself up for a problem later on if you forget to set one and if a FED were to see it he may raise an eyebrow or two.
If you are comfortable you can do it while taxing. I programmed them a lot on taxi when I was flying 135. I would just get the first 50 miles in or so and then get the rest once airborne an on the a/p. a lot of this will come down to familiarity with the unit, route, and grounds ops/congestion at the airport you are at. Just use your best judgment.
I personally love getting the departure changes 3 times on taxi out.
PGT
Well-Known Member
Just a 172R, never thought the hobbs would tick off the master on a 172.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
Indeed, I think they were collared too so you could find them easily.
And just to clarify for those that haven't flown the Chieftain, this was not for the normal fuel pumps you'd turn on during takeoff and landing. These things were on all the time and provided a head of pressure (to the...intake port?) so that you wouldn't have any fuel flow problems with the thing. They ran all the time, but when you were doing your preflight, there was no reason for them to be on.
They'd be pushed in prior to start. It was probably a checklist item.
Yeah, and pulled out rolling into "the blocks" just before shut down... I remember that now. Damn...it's been a while, I guess.
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