"Line up and Wait" by the end of the month!

[seagull]

Oh, it's not like we're using "Flight level three hundred" instead of "three two zero", "FULLY ready for pushback and engine start", "callyouback" instead of "standby", and "radar identified" instead of "radar contact!"

I think the main issue I see is that U.S. pilots tend to use the word "level" to mean "maintaining" in the International environment. Everywhere else, they use "level" as an abbreviated form of "flight level".

The only ones that seem to say things like "climb level three hundred" are the Brits, who are also fairly non-standard domestically. Go figure, English is a primary language.

 

[WalterSobchak]

Didn't see this posted anywhere else so here it is:

http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Notice/N7110.536.pdf

Looks like Sept 30 is the go date on this. I personally hate this, but will get used to one day. I like how they have time to change a major procedure like this for no good reason but we are still fighting over flight time limitations. I understand them wanting to be more like ICAO, but how about lobbying Canada to redo their runway markings to stuff we can actually see! Just a rant...Let the comments fly!

LOL I almost had energy drink come through my nose because its sooo true. I bitch "aboot" that every time I fly to Canada. :rotfl:Are we going to switch to CAVOK too?

How about every one else goes to "Position and Hold"? Screw ICAO.

 

[derg]

I think the main issue I see is that U.S. pilots tend to use the word "level" to mean "maintaining" in the International environment. Everywhere else, they use "level" as an abbreviated form of "flight level".

The only ones that seem to say things like "climb level three hundred" are the Brits, who are also fairly non-standard domestically. Go figure, English is a primary language.

With some of the worst radios too. Man, combine the "tin can" sound of a British radio with "turnradarheading 030 when able direct Isle of MAAAN callyoubackforhigher, speed MACK 82 contact London Control on one three five five zero five report heading to London" man, thank goodness for Sennheisers.

 

[SpiraMirabilis]

I'm excited for the possibility of being able to say 'Didn't you get the memo!?'

 

[Bumblebee]

I was pretty relaxed about most things, but I would always advise , then insist my FO's call "ready for departure", rather than ready for take off, or ready to go, or many of the other phraseology abortions you hear at that point in time.

Now as a co-pilot, I am sure to say ready for departure, and the only time I tx the word take-off is when I am repeating my take-off clearance (or take off cancellation)

If you study Tenerife, you will do the same.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

Yeah! It's not like a radio communication error was responsible for the worst aviation disaster in history... Oh wait, uh nevermind.

:yeahthat:

Glad we're going to standardize, even if I don't like the standard we're adopting.

 

[Turbine]

I was pretty relaxed about most things, but I would always advise , then insist my FO's call "ready for departure", rather than ready for take off, or ready to go, or many of the other phraseology abortions you hear at that point in time.

Now as a co-pilot, I am sure to say ready for departure, and the only time I tx the word take-off is when I am repeating my take-off clearance (or take off cancellation)

If you study Tenerife, you will do the same.

I like that

 

[Rocketman99]

So who can we write to to get the phrase for both the FAA and ICAO changed to "Pull it out and hold it" instead?

 

[SpiraMirabilis]

So who can we write to to get the phrase for both the FAA and ICAO changed to "Pull it out and hold it" instead?

Isn't that understood already? Have I been doing it wrong?

 

[Rocketman99]

Never explicitly stated.

 

[pilot4500]

Or guys that flew the range? Go ahead and try to explain THAT concept to kids these days!

You must mean the old Four course Range. I've never flown one, but it would definitely be an experience to be listening for a morse code A or N signal to keep an aircraft on course. Many pilots today only know how to punch the Direct button on the GPS and then keep the little airplane on the magenta line.

 

[derg]

So who can we write to to get the phrase for both the FAA and ICAO changed to "Pull it out and hold it" instead?

See, now that's why you're not allowed within 200 yards of a Elementary school!

 

[Rocketman99]

Aww, come on man, you told me you'd keep that on the dl if I scrubbed the rims on your SAV. Always trying to keep the Puerto Ricans down on this website...wuzupwidat?

 

[Bumblebee]

Aww, come on man, you told me you'd keep that on the dl if I scrubbed the rims on your SAV. Always trying to keep the Puerto Ricans down on this website...wuzupwidat?

boot on your neck be-otch!

 

[Rocketman99]

That could suck or not depending on the quantity of Crown consumed by said boot-wearer before hand.

 

[soonerpilot06]

I work at a large flight school in KVRB where 95% of the students are foreign. Many of them are European. We have a big problem here with "position and hold". Because of language differences, many will interpret "position and hold" as "hold position" and they stay put instead of taxiing into position. This in turn upsets the controller and causes traffic jams. I'm ok with "line up and wait".

 

[seagull]

I was pretty relaxed about most things, but I would always advise , then insist my FO's call "ready for departure", rather than ready for take off, or ready to go, or many of the other phraseology abortions you hear at that point in time.

Now as a co-pilot, I am sure to say ready for departure, and the only time I tx the word take-off is when I am repeating my take-off clearance (or take off cancellation)

If you study Tenerife, you will do the same.

I just say "ready (runway identifier)" if anything.

 

[nocturnalaviator]

Well now there's no excuse for the student to be off runway centerline now, as it's clearly stated in the clearance to LINE UP! Thanks FAA for making my job easier for once! ehhh, maybe not. :bandit:

 

[RICHARD5]

I was pretty relaxed about most things, but I would always advise , then insist my FO's call "ready for departure", rather than ready for take off, or ready to go, or many of the other phraseology abortions you hear at that point in time.

Now as a co-pilot, I am sure to say ready for departure, and the only time I tx the word take-off is when I am repeating my take-off clearance (or take off cancellation)

If you study Tenerife, you will do the same.

Wow! that's exactly what I do and for the very same reason (Tenerife).

The only time I say "takeoff" is during readback of a clearance.

 

[ChasenSFO]

This is America. If I wanted to "line up and wait" I'd convert my ratings to JAA, shower on a weekly basis, and go for women who don't shave their armpits. I guess we better start using metrics when we fly too.


Line up and wait...pansy's.