seagull
Well-Known Member
Actually, most of the European women do shave their armpits. Don't judge everyone from German tourists!
"Line up and Wait" by the end of the month!
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Actually, most of the European women do shave their armpits. Don't judge everyone from German tourists!
Bumblebee
Commodore
I would suggest you increase your shower frequency to 4x a month, then you may have a shot at getting a woman. (any woman)
ChasenSFO
hen teaser
Quadrupling my shower frequency will be no easy task, but I will put it into consideration.I would suggest you increase your shower frequency to 4x a month, then you may have a shot at getting a woman. (any woman)
Seagull, I was half joking. But also thinking back to my days at Air New Zealand which were always full of connecting Europeans. I guess I'll have to see for myself when I go there.
stormchaser
Well-Known Member
I finally just read this article...yeah, I'm slow...
Call me a hypocrite (aren't we all), but...
Does this mean that when I fly to Europe (or insert favorite country/continent here) that I can revert back to MY familiar phraseology? I mean, if THEY can fly over here and use THEIR stuff, then can't I fly to good ol' Dubai and say, "Position and hold."???
Maybe not a big deal in the whole scheme of things, but this stuff seriously gets under my skin! I think it's because I have to read through "grasa" on my Pringles can and "calorias" on my pop bottles now. All for the sake of the company making more money.
And in the effort of safety? Do you think I could walk into my new airline and say, "Well, THIS is how we did it back at so-and-so, so this is how I'm goin' to do it here." If not, then WHY do we do it here?
GRR.
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Call me a hypocrite (aren't we all), but...
Does this mean that when I fly to Europe (or insert favorite country/continent here) that I can revert back to MY familiar phraseology? I mean, if THEY can fly over here and use THEIR stuff, then can't I fly to good ol' Dubai and say, "Position and hold."???
Maybe not a big deal in the whole scheme of things, but this stuff seriously gets under my skin! I think it's because I have to read through "grasa" on my Pringles can and "calorias" on my pop bottles now. All for the sake of the company making more money.
And in the effort of safety? Do you think I could walk into my new airline and say, "Well, THIS is how we did it back at so-and-so, so this is how I'm goin' to do it here." If not, then WHY do we do it here?
GRR.
[end rant]
Cptnchia
Dissatisfied Customer
Wow, if this really upsets you, I would of hated to see how spooled up you got when we switched from TCAs, PCAs and TRACONs to Class A thru E airspace
poser765
Well-Known Member
I don't think it is really a European thing so much as an ICAO thing. And we are a member of that body. Don't you think it is kind of pompous to be a member of ICAO but then say this is dumb we aren't doing it. Now I can understand being peeved about this if it was how they do it in UK alone. But if most of the rest of the world do it it would be like you sending out an email to all the airlines saying this is how you do it you must change.
msmspilot
Well-Known Member
I'll say again, even if this is partly to comply with ICAO, this change is happening because of the effort to reduce runway incursions. I was totally neutral on the issue until I realized that. If this simple change in phraseology prevents one runway incursion, it's worth it to me.
poser765
Well-Known Member
Safety?? this won't effect safety! Line up and wait? It's to vague, how are pilots to know where to line up...line up where, wait for what? What if they line up on an active runway?
A150K
Well-Known Member
Honestly I think it makes more sense than position and hold....face it, there are some pilots who do need ATC to be their kindergarten teachers, and some of the old guys in their mooneys on their may to get a hamburger may interpret position and hold as hold position.....I've personally seen it on many occasions (and most of them were either mooneys or bonanzas), in fact my home field dosn't even issue position and hold clearances for this very reason.
msmspilot
Well-Known Member
"Runway 14, line up and wait" is no more vague than "runway 14, taxi into position and hold."
Second, as I have already said, with this change, there is no longer any time ATC uses the word "taxi" to tell you to enter an active runway. If you hear the word "taxi" and you're about to cross a hold short line, you're doing something wrong; you need to stop and get clarification from ATC.
poser765
Well-Known Member
Sorry, I was being sarcastic. I have still yet to see ANY valid argument to keep the old phrase other than "because it's not the old way" or "why should we do what they do in Europe." Neither point has any merit. I have no idea why people are so against this.
Get pissed at user fees, or duty time/rest requirements. This as a battle is so inconsequential it's laughable.
nocturnalaviator
AI Jedi
:yeahthat:
Mike H
Well-Known Member
I'm not doubting you, but what does the Future Farmers of America have to do with it?
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Art Buchwald proved years ago that the Dept of Agriculture was the most powerful government agency in the world and had more spies than the CIA and more cops than the FBI
As a controller, I agree with you 100% on all points. Communication is woven a lot more into safety than people realize.
My problem is not LUAW, it's the agency implementation of it.
For starters, the phraseology adivising an arrival there is an aircraft in position was not changed to coincide. As a result you will get "line up and wait" on the ground, but will still get "traffic holding in position" in the air. They scratched one line and replaced it, but didn't follow through with the rest. Causing more confusion than fixing? Time will tell...
Secondly, and more importantly in my opinion, the agency made themselves a video to put out to pilots regarding LUAW. After it was done, it was given to the union's National Runway Safety Action Team. And shockingly enough, there is a phraseology error in the video-the one made to you know, educate pilots about phraseology. I won't go so far as to post the agency response on a public website, but if you have been around this business for more than a day you can probably guess what it was...
msmspilot
Well-Known Member
Wow. I didn't realize that. I don't think anyone is surprised the FAA has a contradiction in a policy change. Isn't the first time even this year.
poser765
Well-Known Member
Now this right here is a valid argument!Granted the author does say it's not an argument against the change, just the way it was implemented. Even if it was against the policy i would still give him credence and think about what he said. In the end though I would still not be opposed to it.
Notice how I didn't say in favor? I'm fairly indifferent. As I said above this is very inconsequential to my daily flying.
If arbitrary changes in procedure and phraseology drive you nuts, you just wait until your first merger.
If I hear another semantical debate about "preflight" checklists veers "before start" checklists and how one is the pillar of safe over the other I'm going to (theorteically) stab myself on the eye.
Or the "OMGZ take the lights off the before takeoff checklist, they're not a safety item, it's secretarial!" ugh, *face palm*
If I hear another semantical debate about "preflight" checklists veers "before start" checklists and how one is the pillar of safe over the other I'm going to (theorteically) stab myself on the eye.
Or the "OMGZ take the lights off the before takeoff checklist, they're not a safety item, it's secretarial!" ugh, *face palm*
chris
Well-Known Member
Ill lobby Transport Canada to make the runway signage bigger and more clear (I agree the numbers and markings are less clear than on US runways), but then someone has to promise to lobby the FAA to move the vasi/papi lights to the LEFT side of the runways. It just doesn't feel right to see them on the right side.
We switched to "line up and wait" over a year ago. Trust me, you'll adapt to it really quickly. We also use the phrase "when ready descend..." as opposed to "pilot's discretion, descend..." All ICAO standards I guess. Or, Canada is slowly trying to take over the world in a giant socialist plot. All your base are belong to us.
We switched to "line up and wait" over a year ago. Trust me, you'll adapt to it really quickly. We also use the phrase "when ready descend..." as opposed to "pilot's discretion, descend..." All ICAO standards I guess. Or, Canada is slowly trying to take over the world in a giant socialist plot. All your base are belong to us.
TFaudree_ERAU
Mashin' dem buttons
"Hawker 1234Z, taxi via Delta, backtrack runway 11, line up and wait, advise ready to copy airways clearance."
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
Ill lobby Transport Canada to make the runway signage bigger and more clear (I agree the numbers and markings are less clear than on US runways), but then someone has to promise to lobby the FAA to move the vasi/papi lights to the LEFT side of the runways. It just doesn't feel right to see them on the right side.
We switched to "line up and wait" over a year ago. Trust me, you'll adapt to it really quickly. We also use the phrase "when ready descend..." as opposed to "pilot's discretion, descend..." All ICAO standards I guess. Or, Canada is slowly trying to take over the world in a giant socialist plot. All your base are belong to us.
They're...erm...usually on the left side in the States....right?