LGA accident

[GolfChuck]

We have leaked airport security footage before a statement from NATCA. Our union is useless.

Also notice all the other vehicles stopped way before truck 1 entered the runway.

TeAm ND/JH is too busy policing members social media.

 

[phill1174]

Which would be odd, as airport vehicle ops is highly stressed in the training. Even moreso because unlike normal aircraft vehicles, the fire trucks will be making emergency responses in the movement areas.

I can’t remember if LGA has Runway Status Lights or not. I’d imagine airport ops vehicles are trained on what these lights mean. Wondering if they would’ve made a difference in the outcome.

 

[GolfChuck]

I can’t remember if LGA has Runway Status Lights or not. I’d imagine airport ops vehicles are trained on what these lights mean. Wondering if they would’ve made a difference in the outcome.

JFK does but not at every crossing. LGA certainly has the underlying tech to make them work, but considering the layout , it would not surprise me if they do not.

 

[jtrain609]

There are runway entrance lights at to runway 4 at Delta at LGA.

https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/rwsl/media/LGA.pdf

Any of y'all know at what altitude landing traffic will trigger them?

 

[///AMG]

My conspiracy theory is that the tech bros are lobbying for a massive investment in some kind of AI solution

F*** that. I mean, I’m positive that someone is vying to use that angle. But if it happens, I’m “retiring”, will never fly an airplane or fly on an airplane again, and will find something else to do.

 

[Roger Roger]

F*** that. I mean, I’m positive that someone is vying to use that angle. But if it happens, I’m “retiring”, will never fly an airplane or fly on an airplane again, and will find something else to do.

Lucky for you once AI is controlling traffic it will be easier for it just to talk directly to the plane so no need for the meat servos

 

[GroundPilot]

I don't want to be the first one to say this and I'm sure it came across a few peoples minds. When the RJ was on final, why did the crew not do a go around if they heard the trucks (I assume if the trucks were on tower frequency) were cleared to cross on RWY 4 that they were landing on?

 

[Roger Roger]

I don't want to be the first one to say this and I'm sure it came across a few peoples minds. When the RJ was on final, why did the crew not do a go around if they heard the trucks (I assume if the trucks were on tower frequency) were cleared to cross on RWY 4 that they were landing on?

What was the timing on that? From the video it looks like they literally didn’t have time to react.

 

[GolfChuck]

There are runway entrance lights at to runway 4 at Delta at LGA.

https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/rwsl/media/LGA.pdf

Any of y'all know at what altitude landing traffic will trigger them?are triggered by speed and distance from the intersection

To my knowledge they are triggered by speed and distance to the intersection, they are controlled by the surface radar.

 

[NovemberEcho]

“

1. Operating Characteristics – Arriving Aircraft: When an aircraft on final approach is approximately 1 mile from the runway threshold all sets of Runway Entrance Light arrays along the runway will illuminate. The distance is adjustable and can be configured for specific operations at particular airports. Lights extinguish at each equipped taxiway intersection approximately 2 to 3 seconds before the aircraft reaches it to apply anticipated separation until the aircraft has slowed to approximately 80 knots (site adjustable parameter). Below 80 knots, all arrays that are not within 30 seconds of the aircraft's forward path are extinguished. Once the arriving aircraft slows to approximately 34 knots (site adjustable parameter), it is declared to be in a taxi state, and all lights extinguish.”

https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/rwsl

Bold part is mine. It’s possible the lights had extinguished before the truck reached the runway.

 

[GolfChuck]

They definitely extinguish before the aircraft reaches the intersection. I did not know about the speed thing.

 

[GolfChuck]

Also, one mile seems excessive, you can definitely cross a single vehicle in front of a jet on 1 mile final, so maybe vehicle operators aren't trained on them? I am sure those parameters have (edit: transport category) aircraft in mind and not vehicles.

 

[CFI A&P]

I don't want to be the first one to say this and I'm sure it came across a few peoples minds. When the RJ was on final, why did the crew not do a go around if they heard the trucks (I assume if the trucks were on tower frequency) were cleared to cross on RWY 4 that they were landing on?

Isn't there an airframe limitation prohibiting go-arounds once the TRs have deployed?

That's really splitting hairs over timing over who saw what, and when, but if the thrust reversers are out (not Dee Howards, but Safran/ Ontic) the math on the go around gets a little more complicated.