Let the AS vs DL war continue

Cptnchia said:
It's the "Gnash Cluster Syndrome." Remember those?
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Oh the old DALPA forum.

The 330's got a number of those forming.

"Keep writing up the rest seat, boys, we're up to 300! THEY'LL CHANGE IT!"

*giggle*
 
BobDDuck said:
Do you guys have pods on those or just a seat?
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Man, you just opened a Costco size can of pizzed off pilot!





They used to have bunks but the company took them out and gave us a seat instead. Ask a 330 guy that and their head will explode in anger. Although, a few aneurisms can have a positive effect on the SLI...
 
The lower lobe bunks were great. The area behind the cockpit, from what I've seen, is "pretty ok" but man, it reeks like a locker room and I keep flying with pilots who treat it like a day care center and leave crap everywhere. The lie flat seat in the cabin is "ok" largely because you're bunking after a pilot who is going to be embarrassed to leave it trashed for the next guy.
 
Derg said:
The lower lobe bunks were great.
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Ours are in the back (although the story is that the 350 bunks... if we ever get them, will be in the front). Online jumpseaters can use them on non augmented flights and I've crashed out in them a few times going to LA and back. They are pretty comfy once you get over the claustrophobic aspects of it. Sometime at NJC or something I'll have to tell you the ghost story that is floating around about one of the planes.

That sucks that they just give you a seat now. That means that even with the lay flat seat you are only getting a Class 2 rest facility although I guess that doesn't really matter on the 330 as it doesn't have the legs to exceed the maximum FDP allowable even with an augmented crew and the Class 1 bunks.
 
Cptnchia said:
Man, you just opened a Costco size can of pizzed off pilot!





They used to have bunks but the company took them out and gave us a seat instead. Ask a 330 guy that and their head will explode in anger. Although, a few aneurisms can have a positive effect on the SLI...
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Why'd the company take away the bunks?
 
Alaska just announced 3 more destinations from SLC!

BOI, LAS and SFO.

Let the turf war continue!
 
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z987k said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but money wise, doesn't a Q400 destroy a CRJ700 at pretty much any distance?
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You are correct. However there's more to this. The option for first class is a biggie. Lots of business travelers want, and will pay for this. Also, I'm fairly convinced Delta has decided they can afford to do this, whether or not the CRJ is more profitable than the Q400. I think it's important to remember that Delta and Alaska are on very different scales as to what they can afford to mess around with. It will be very interesting to see what happens over the next year. Also, I think a lot of these routes are even on CRJ900s which are obviously even less competitive.
 
Dan208B said:
Also, I think a lot of these routes are even on CRJ900s which are obviously even less competitive.
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Not sure I follow you. A 900 costs about the same as a 700 to operate and allows you to cram a whole lot more revenue inside. A 900 may not be competitive with a Q (although I think that is debatable based on a whole lot of other factors) but it is certainly MORE competitive than a 700 would be.
 
BobDDuck said:
Not sure I follow you. A 900 costs about the same as a 700 to operate and allows you to cram a whole lot more revenue inside. A 900 may not be competitive with a Q (although I think that is debatable based on a whole lot of other factors) but it is certainly MORE competitive than a 700 would be.
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Didn't know that, just assumed it would cost more to operate. Thanks for the info. I think you're right that it's debatable. I'd be curious to see how much Delta can charge for first class seats when they aren't offered at all in the markets...
 
Dan208B said:
You are correct. However there's more to this. The option for first class is a biggie. Lots of business travelers want, and will pay for this. Also, I'm fairly convinced Delta has decided they can afford to do this, whether or not the CRJ is more profitable than the Q400. I think it's important to remember that Delta and Alaska are on very different scales as to what they can afford to mess around with. It will be very interesting to see what happens over the next year. Also, I think a lot of these routes are even on CRJ900s which are obviously even less competitive.
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Dan208B said:
Didn't know that, just assumed it would cost more to operate. Thanks for the info. I think you're right that it's debatable. I'd be curious to see how much Delta can charge for first class seats when they aren't offered at all in the markets...
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Domestic first class is a joke. Especially in a CRJ...
 
AS just announced another 3 cities from SLC: SFO/LAS/BOI. LAS/BOI will be Horizon flights, SFO will be mainline. Also, Alaska is offering double miles on all SLC flights.

http://splash.alaskasworld.com/Newsroom/ASNews/ASstories/AS_20131220_050413.asp

And so it continues...

Dan208B said:
Fair point. People still pay for it though. I know several folks that either their company always buys it when available, or they simply bill the client for that on every trip.
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That they do. I remember one time being asked how much a first class upgrade would cost a couple on SFO-TUS. It came to $1300 a person. They paid it. I seriously tried to talk them out of it, "You know there is no meal service, and the seats still barely recline, right?". But they bought it. Wish I had money to throw around like that.
 
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Dan208B said:
You are correct. However there's more to this. The option for first class is a biggie. Lots of business travelers want, and will pay for this. Also, I'm fairly convinced Delta has decided they can afford to do this, whether or not the CRJ is more profitable than the Q400. I think it's important to remember that Delta and Alaska are on very different scales as to what they can afford to mess around with. It will be very interesting to see what happens over the next year. Also, I think a lot of these routes are even on CRJ900s which are obviously even less competitive.
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Is there no first class on horizon?
 
z987k said:
Is there no first class on horizon?
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No there isn't. But I personally like riding on them. I think the seats are more comfortable than an RJ if you're in coach on one. Horizon also has some cool amenities like free beer/wine.
 
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