Legal to fly without charts and AFD?

[minitour]

I knew something was up. Thanks.

-mini

 

[tonyw]

Yeah, I'd like to see the guy who gets violated for not having current charts in his plane when he is just going up to do a little pattern work.

Actually, I'd like to see the inspector who did it. I have a feeling he won't be collecting a paycheck for much longer!

 

[MidlifeFlyer]

Yeah, I'd like to see the guy who gets violated for not having current charts in his plane when he is just going up to do a little pattern work.

Actually, I'd like to see the inspector who did it. I have a feeling he won't be collecting a paycheck for much longer!

Any idea how hard it is to get rid of a gov't employee?

 

[Minnesota_Flyer]

Any idea how hard it is to get rid of a gov't employee?

A while back an FAA guy got cited by NTSB as a contributing factor in a crash because he had been harassing/dogging the pilot. (I think it was a Missouri biz jet crash.) That guy got promoted.

 

[OldTownPilot]

When a government employee gets 'relieved of their duties', they just get promoted into another office.

They don't have the original duties anymore, riiight......?

 

[minitour]

Yeah, I'd like to see the guy who gets violated for not having current charts in his plane when he is just going up to do a little pattern work.

Actually, I'd like to see the inspector who did it. I have a feeling he won't be collecting a paycheck for much longer!

But is pattern work still considered "in the vicinity of (the) airport"?

What constitutes the "vicinity"?

-mini

 

[Lead Sled]

none - you needed a none, right there.

He should be good now. I'm pretty sure a triple negative equals a single. Good catch!

 

[minitour]

He should be good now. I'm pretty sure a triple negative equals a single. Good catch!

It's that new math, isn't it?

-mini

 

[MidlifeFlyer]

It's that new math, isn't it?

-mini

Of course, "new math" is about 40 years old.

 

[germb747]

But is pattern work still considered "in the vicinity of (the) airport"?

What constitutes the "vicinity"?

-mini

There's no official FAA definition, but I'd consider pretty much everything outside the traffic pattern as not in the "vicinity", but that's just me.

 

[minitour]

There's no official FAA definition, but I'd consider pretty much everything outside the traffic pattern as not in the "vicinity", but that's just me.

Which then, of course, has to raise the question: "who's traffic pattern"?

A 152 (should) fly a different pattern than a 747, G5, etc.

-mini

 

[MidlifeFlyer]

There's no official FAA definition, but I'd consider pretty much everything outside the traffic pattern as not in the "vicinity", but that's just me.

The only FAA definition of vicinity I'm aware of is with relation to weather products - vicinity appears in METAR and TAF reports and according to AC 00-45F, Aviation Weather Services,

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In the United States, vicinity (VC) is defined as a donut-shaped area between 5 and 10SM from the center of the airport’s runway complex.
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But I wouldn't accept that as THE definition for all purposes. Sometimes an English word is just an English word and "vicinity" is subject to interpretation depending on context (as is "traffic pattern" )