landing a real airliner.

I_Money said:
I keep you in business young man - without passengers who like to pay $5 for a tin of beer, the airlines have no chance.
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Hey wait, lemon as in the street? Is there even a city called lemon?

Because in diamond bar, we have a street called Lemon?
 
Hey, did you get your cellphone service fixed, Iain? :)

We were going to crank call you this weekend and say "....ey....ate!..... eek....oor...ok...alright....ciao!"
 
Bigey said:
Hey wait, lemon as in the street? Is there even a city called lemon?

Because in diamond bar, we have a street called Lemon?
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It's bigger than a bread box!
 
DE727UPS said:
I think landings are the most difficult thing in flying to consistantly do well.
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It's good to see that guys like you with more time than I can shake a stick at see it that way. I still see every single landing as a challenge. I mean, if you think about it, we're trying to get, in the case of a small airplane, thousands of pounds of metal moving at 70 knots onto three wheels that are about two inches across without damaging anything.

It's pretty impressive that all of us do this routinely if you think about it, and that's just for folks who fly small singles.
 
In my experience, the bigger the airplane, the easier it is to land. I have only flown 3 so far but I have found that a 172 is the hardest to land consistantly well. A Seminole is pretty easy to land, and then a Cessna Citation jet practically lands itself.

It's all about that "400, gear down stabilized approach" call.
 
DE727UPS said:
I think landings are the most difficult thing in flying to consistantly do well.
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AMEN! Brutha. I've always said the hardest thing about flying is the landing. One thing I will say for bigger jets is they are more "consistant". I started my 121 career in the Dash8, that thing was different on every landing, not difficult just different. Now the DC8 is a more, I dont know what other word to use, consistant. It does get tricky though with a good crosswind, those big ass CFMs hanging off the wings don't give you a lot of room to bank, nevermind if you screw it up and come in 10 knots hot. :argue:
 
it's true though. The airplane I fly feels and reacts completely different depending on CG, weight and atmospheric conditions.

Light 88's are a bear to land smoothly. Light 88's AND a forward CG are next to impossible to get a satisfactory landing out of.

The center of gravity can be so far ahead of the landing gear that you can literally drive the wheels into the runnway if you're a few knots slow.
 
Flaps 45 landings in the bro still give me trouble. I think our ref is at freaking 107 or something. Anytime I see below 120 I get nervous, even though we should cross the threshold at ref plus 10. Heck no we won't go!
 
Doug Taylor said:
it's true though. The airplane I fly feels and reacts completely different depending on CG, weight and atmospheric conditions.

Light 88's are a bear to land smoothly. Light 88's AND a forward CG are next to impossible to get a satisfactory landing out of.

The center of gravity can be so far ahead of the landing gear that you can literally drive the wheels into the runnway if you're a few knots slow.
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So do you have to find the planes G-Spot?
 
ROFCIBC said:
Doug, did you really fly with Janssen? Woo Hoo!
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...But I know someone who did! ;)

No, really, I was a fool for not dumping that 5% mortgage for an 8%-plus variable rate and taking out my equity and investing it into a certain 'family' of investments.

Where...uhh...do I sign up for that?
 
I don't have nearly the experience, but I second what DE727UPS and Doug said.

I started at SkyW with about 1900 hours TT. I felt like I could nearly always have a nice landing, maybe not always a greaser, but a nice landing in most GA aircraft that I flew.

I now have a 1000 hours in the EMB 120 and I can always land the thing safely, but I'll be darned if I can always grease it. If it is light then it is super hard to grease. I will have really smooth landings for a month and then the next month they will be just OK or occasionally even elicit a laugh from the Capt. (Of course then they go through the same thing, so that makes me feel better in an evil way.)

Then again, half the time it is gusty or I am five miles behind Doug or one of his constituents flying the glide slope just a little high to avoid the wake. Or if we are lucky we land just after a 767 or 777 has rotated so we are trying to land in the remnants of the jet wash. That can be exciting.

mrivc211, The other day I landed in SUN. Really light airplane with flaps 45. Ref was like 103 or something way lower than I was used to. Had to triple check the fast slow indicator to assure myself that we were not going to fall out of the sky.
 
Doug Taylor said:
I'll give you $50 if you could take an MD-88 from off-airway at 10,000 and perform a successful autoland without heavy coaching!
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It's simple... you just dial in the airport code "KATL" and then push the "Land this Mo Fo' " button directly underneath. Sit back, relax, you're all done !

:sarcasm:
 
One question, is everyone involved in this discussion twelve? I think I've seen more intelligent conversations in the sand box of the local kindergarden class.

If anyone could land a plane, then why would they pay pilots upwards of $15,000 a year to do it. ;)
 
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