Kenmore Air down Sucia Island 7/23

When I went through initial out here, we still did a pool day. Not sure when they stopped, but it's not a thing anymore.

We did our's towards the very end of our training footprint and for the week leading up to it my Sim partner (who had just gone through a bad breakup) was talking about how awesome it was going to be. The class before us had done a combined pool day with the new hire FA class going through and that's all he could talk about.

Fast forward to pool day, and it's just the three of us from my class huddling together in a pool in the pouring rain, glaring at my poor sim partner.
We did pool day with the new hire FA class. There were a lot of us that day. One of the guys in my class dropped his wedding ring in the pool towards the very end. It was of our duty of course to give him a hard time about it.
 
We did ours in uniform so we could feel what it would be like. Definitely a good workout trying to stay afloat.
It's not supposed to be fun, and I think realism is important, but I'm guessing some of these companies are just checking a box for their insurance company. My friend said most of his classmates all stayed at the same hotel. I asked him if anyone ever actually wore pants, he said only checking in or checking out and only if it was winter.
 
Is there a place civilians can do this?

chamber or centrifuge?

there’s a few chamber places that civvies can do, i think they take you to 350 maybe. Our mil chamber training had us to 470 back in the day, where symptoms once the mask is dropped happen very quickly.

Centrifuge was an 8G ride done a few times in a session, and is one where you have to follow the breathing techniques and not panic due to not being able to breathe well, and ultimately remain conscious.
 
chamber or centrifuge?

there’s a few chamber places that civvies can do, i think they take you to 350 maybe. Our mil chamber training had us to 470 back in the day, where symptoms once the mask is dropped happen very quickly.

Centrifuge was an 8G ride done a few times in a session, and is one where you have to follow the breathing techniques and not panic due to not being able to breathe well, and ultimately remain conscious.
All of my centrifuge training was completed either at Six Flags Magic Mountain in a contraption called Spin-Out under the auspices of a pimply faced seasonal ride operator or in a very dangerous machine known as an Orbitron run by very suspicious looking ex cons in dire need of a dentist at the local annual carnival. I'm what you might call an expert.😆
 
Is there a place civilians can do this?

OKC and some of the colleges have a hypoxia trainer. You experience it at the large airshows - Sun N Fun or Oshkosh. Not sure if they’re taken to and set up at any of the other events (NBAA, OBAP, etc.).

For dunker training, you can do it near New Orleans at Southern Seaplane.

 
Also did the ‘fuge twice. Once for the F/A-18, and then a second one a number of years later for the F-16. The Viper one was a lot more brutal. I just remember the 9G 15 second pull looking over your shoulder. That nearly smoked me. The flight school kids observing in the control room looked like they were about to walk to their deaths when i left and they reconfigured it for the Hornet ride. I think i pretty much just held my breath the whole time, rather than the proper HIIIIIICKKKKKKKKKKK maneuver. My bud and I also definitely had a good time the night before on the shores of San Antonio (this being shortly after the Lemoore CA fuge was decertified, which had been my original ride)
 
All of my centrifuge training was completed either at Six Flags Magic Mountain in a contraption called Spin-Out under the auspices of a pimply faced seasonal ride operator or in a very dangerous machine known as an Orbitron run by very suspicious looking ex cons in dire need of a dentist at the local annual carnival. I'm what you might call an expert.😆

Carnival ride Gravaton is 3-4g's.

Seen videos with RedneckTek over 9g's
(not OSHA certified)

is that the one that’s cylindrical shaped and they drop the floor out from under you once it’s up and spinning?
 
Also did the ‘fuge twice. Once for the F/A-18, and then a second one a number of years later for the F-16. The Viper one was a lot more brutal. I just remember the 9G 15 second pull looking over your shoulder. That nearly smoked me. The flight school kids observing in the control room looked like they were about to walk to their deaths when i left and they reconfigured it for the Hornet ride. I think i pretty much just held my breath the whole time, rather than the proper HIIIIIICKKKKKKKKKKK maneuver. My bud and I also definitely had a good time the night before on the shores of San Antonio (this being shortly after the Lemoore CA fuge was decertified, which had been my original ride)

the single hardest part is the suffocation feeling from not being able to inflate your chest to breathe like you’re used to, and avoiding any panic.

you should’ve asked them to remove the governor and let you have at it. haha.

we had a centrifuge and a chamber at HMN where i was based, and i always wanted to go back for a ride or two.
 
is that the one that’s cylindrical shaped and they drop the floor out from under you once it’s up and spinning?

That one too
The Gravatron is a flying saucer one with the positions angled at 30-40 from vertical to increase the perceived G forces.

The Black Hole is the one with the bottom dropping out of it

(both have many names)

Remember, 2g's to normal people is very disorienting. 3-4 is generally an untrained limit.
 
the single hardest part is the suffocation feeling from not being able to inflate your chest to breathe like you’re used to, and avoiding any panic.

you should’ve asked them to remove the governor and let you have at it. haha.

we had a centrifuge and a chamber at HMN where i was based, and i always wanted to go back for a ride or two.

I’d say it is pretty different than anything that I’ve felt in the airplane. Peak G is the same, but i guess either the bleed rate, or just the fact that my hand controls how much G continues to exist, makes it different. That being said, I’m still able to fight a 20-something kid in a 5-7G rate war on the deck, and end up behind them shooting. Adrenalin can help overcome a lot of things a normal 40-something airline pilot doesn’t do in their daily life anymore. :) So it is fair, I always brief them in detail about what i am about to do, including a detailed instructional session about how to deny me that plan. But it doesn’t ever make a difference. Too many noises, forces, and generally not knowing what to do with their hands gets them in the jet
 
As a contrast, I worked at a cheap azzed major cargo airline. Our overwater quals every year was to step into an inflated raft and step out. This was done inside the training center. On a concrete floor. The nearest water was the drinking fountain. I've heard pax airlines do training in an actual swimming pool. Must be a cargo cutout for overwater training as well as part 117.
We di… we did that! I look at Delta and American’s pool and just smh. We probably have more oceanic flights than most U.S carriers and can’t even get training in a kiddy pool. I’d argue we badly need it simply because we don’t have F/A’s to save our a**.

Don’t even get me started on the EVAS training. If I had it my way we’d have a smoke machine in the sim and have to fully deploy it. I don’t want my first time using EVAS to be when the flight deck is actually filling up with smoke. Videos and training modules are great but getting hands on experience with that stuff can be life saving.
 
is that the one that’s cylindrical shaped and they drop the floor out from under you once it’s up and spinning?
Spin-Out was a spinning barrel with a floor that would drop down once it got spun up enough to keep folks pinned against the "wall". If I recall correctly the interior of the barrel was covered with the sort of material you might find on a belt loader and that was the extent of the restraints for riders. This led to shenanigans such as shuffling around into an inverted position for ambitious thrill seekers, above the barrel was open to the folks waiting for their turn and they were quick to encourage poor manners. The most unruly thing I ever witnessed was a guy who managed to almost get to a standing position with his feet on the wall. That sort of behavior, the initial disregard for safety protocol and the ever increasing rise of liability lawsuits eventually led Six Flags to repurpose the area it had occupied and tear it down.
 
When I was just a juvenile my mom won a 50cc Yamaha Jog scooter at some Amway or Tupperware party she attended. I very quickly appropriated it as my own and was mobile with internal combustion at 14 years old. At the bottom of my street there was a park, in that park there was a playground, in that playground there was a merry go round. This was long before the internet and we figured out that a two stroke 50cc engine was plenty of power to turn a mundane playground implement into a rite of passage for any of our friends. Other than a couple of scrapes and bruises we all walked away fairly unscathed. The '80s were a great time to grow up.
 
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