KCM International

Some random thoughts.
1. "They" know when you use KCM. If you use it, then travel international, don't think "they" won't find out.
2. As pointed out TSA's primary purpose should be airline safety, not customs. Now if they find stuff, yeah. Turn it over.
Since their primary purpose is airline safety that is where their resources should be directed. Time is a resource, so time should be devoted to those who pose the greatest threat.
If a crew member wants to bring down an airplane the best defense is not TSA, it's the rest of the crew. So time spent screening us is wasted when it comes to safety.
3. As far as we are concerned, #2 does not matter as it's above our pay grade. KCM is a privelage. Let's not lose it.
 
I wonder if the recent drug trafficking cases have contributed to this procedure change. Which I find hilarious. The TSA should be about ensuring passenger safety not enforcing drug laws. That is the realm of the DEA and ICE. Weapon screening only should be the mandate.
 
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Blackhawk said:
Some random thoughts.
1. "They" know when you use KCM. If you use it, then travel international, don't think "they" won't find out.
2. As pointed out TSA's primary purpose should be airline safety, not customs. Now if they find stuff, yeah. Turn it over.
Since their primary purpose is airline safety that is where their resources should be directed. Time is a resource, so time should be devoted to those who pose the greatest threat.
If a crew member wants to bring down an airplane the best defense is not TSA, it's the rest of the crew. So time spent screening us is wasted when it comes to safety.
3. As far as we are concerned, #2 does not matter as it's above our pay grade. KCM is a privelage. Let's not lose it.
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I'm getting to the point where KCM and other "privileges" need to be analyzed against some bigger picture ideals. I'm not saying you're wrong at all but policy where a cockpit crew, vetted and screened through years of exposure to the system is required to do a silly dance at the whims of the "smurf of the day" simply to report to work, might need to be questioned as to which group is taking liberties with rights and privileges.

As you said, security, when effective is compelled to focus on the highest threats first, and prioritize its resources accordingly. Cockpit ceew constitute one of the lowest likely threats. TSA doing anything but mitigating threats is increasing risk, assuming they are at least somewhat effective to begin with. Besides, the more crowded and gummed up the checkpoints get, well, let's just say the most risk exposed I feel in my workday is somewhere between the curb and the gate.

So yeah, KCM as defined now is a privilege and I have yet to have a problem of any real significance with a screener; don't be a problem and you're far less likely to find one, but I think we need to start being a little more assertive when it comes to working with our representatives and dealing with protecting ourselves from TSA.
 
wheelsup said:
I wonder if the recent drug trafficking cases have contributed to this procedure change. Which I find hilarious. The TSA should be about ensuring passenger safety not enforcing drug laws. That is the realm of the DEA and ICE. Weapon screening only should be the mandate.
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According to a somewhat officious screener at IAH it is related, however I took it for what it was worth. The timing seems related, but who knows....
 
Please be advised of an update to the TSA’s screening policy for Crewmembers accessing the sterile area through KCM, effective May 17. This is to be compliant with International Civil Aviation Organization (Annex 17, international policy for Customer screening) and it only affects those traveling to international destinations on leisure travel. Of note, there was some confusion about the effective date and we wanted to confirm to be certain. As we learned, May 17 is the correct effective date for the below ():
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Blackhawk said:
Some random thoughts.
1. "They" know when you use KCM. If you use it, then travel international, don't think "they" won't find out.
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Yes.

That's why someone was dong the "Foot Stomp" when it came to people calling in sick and using KCM or CASS.

Easiest way to getch yo' ass called into the chief pilots office.

One situation, not at my airline, involved a pilot that called in sick, jumpseated as his kid non-revved in the back of the airplane, went to Disney and posted it on Facebook.

"But my Facebook is PRIVATE!"

So is this corporation, son.
 
Derg said:
Yes.

That's why someone was dong the "Foot Stomp" when it came to people calling in sick and using KCM or CASS.

Easiest way to getch yo' ass called into the chief pilots office.

One situation, not at my airline, involved a pilot that called in sick, jumpseated as his kid non-revved in the back of the airplane, went to Disney and posted it on Facebook.

"But my Facebook is PRIVATE!"

So is this corporation, son.
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More people at my shop get fired for social media than anything else. (It seems that way at least.)
 
How hard is the social media thing to abide by? Seriously? I never understood plastering where I worked all over the Facebook. It's pretty simple,dont trash talk the hand that feeds you.


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Well in MCO they started they started a day early with the Int'l travel rules at KCM. Signs are posted at KCM.


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Yeah, CLT had signs posted a few days ago. Website has an effective date, sign says IMMEDIATELY! Just like everything else TSA... Non standard.
 
Thread revival.

Traveling non rev some where in Europe tomorrow. However because it's standby and the flight loads look rough, I don't know where we are going yet so I'm not gonna list until I'm at the gate just prior. I have no issue passing through the employee security checkpoint as opposed to kcm but I will not have any actual standby pass with me. Does this matter? Also, how does this affect my wife who will be meeting me coming inbound from a domestic flight. She already would've passed security.
 
B200 Hawk said:
Thread revival.

Traveling non rev some where in Europe tomorrow. However because it's standby and the flight loads look rough, I don't know where we are going yet so I'm not gonna list until I'm at the gate just prior. I have no issue passing through the employee security checkpoint as opposed to kcm but I will not have any actual standby pass with me. Does this matter? Also, how does this affect my wife who will be meeting me coming inbound from a domestic flight. She already would've passed security.
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Use your ID to get through security, no seat request required.

For your wife, who I assume isn't a crew member, you'll be able to print boarding passes at the gate of whatever flight you end up taking.
 
Random thought. Lets say that I was heading on a personal, international trip and went through KCM by mistake. Then I remembered, turned around, went back out, and went through regular security. If somebody was checking, they would see that I went through KCM but there is no way to verify whether I went through regular security. Right??
 
thevideographer said:
Random thought. Lets say that I was heading on a personal, international trip and went through KCM by mistake. Then I remembered, turned around, went back out, and went through regular security. If somebody was checking, they would see that I went through KCM but there is no way to verify whether I went through regular security. Right??
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Except security cameras. Oh, and when you go through TSA, if you already have your seat request card, the TSA person who checked your ID will stamp or sign it to prove it was checked so you can just keep that and use it as proof if you are ever questioned.
 
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