Job posting websites for low-time pilots

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flhrci said:
With all the BS floating on the forum about low-time pilots getting hired how could one not assume these things? And it is just that, BS. The average low-time part 61 instructed pilot is not going to get a regional job this way. I know that after nearly two months of trying.


I need something a little better.

David
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Maybe it's your attitude?
People don't deserve jobs. They are earned. We (well most of us that is) that fly for a living have earned our jobs by doing what it took to get there by CFI'ing, flying freight, traffic, VFR135 or any number of ways. Just because your 36 doesn't mean that you're not going to have to put some time, effort and MORE money into getting what you want. If you don't have the money to get what's needed get a loan or a CC, go to a CFI factory and be done with it. I'm much happier doing what I do now neck deep in debt than I was doing what I was debt free.
 
OldTownPilot said:
My folks will hire a 250 hour CFI yesterday. If you just have your commercial, you'd only fly for the summer and all those positions are taken right now. We have hired sub 300 hr commercial pilots to fly scenic tours (part 91).

A CFI ticket WILL get you a job right now. GUARANTEED. Thats one of the few guarantees in the aviation business right now.
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Good point......and you can actually make pretty good money in the process.
 
"There is no such thing as "dues" anymore!"

I disagree, we all earn our way up the ladder in one form or another. Some choose to CFI, traffic watch, pipeline patrol, banner tow, 135 freight or just buy the time. Others attend expensive universities that guarantee you a CRJ course or interview with a few regionals. And many sign their life away to the Federal Government for 8 years so they can serve in our military. We all have to make sacrifices to get where we want to go.......

If you are fortunate enough to get hired at 250 with regional XYZ, be ready to start at the bottom of the seniority list, possibly on reserve, with a good 2-3 years before upgrade. The pay won't be that great to start, because (dare I say it) you are starting at the bottom.

At 250 hours, you simply don't have the leverage to negotiate a good QOL, nor can you upgrade to the left seat and enjoy higher pay.
 
Ian J said:
Honest question - and I'm really not flaming you here.

Do you personally feel you have the knowledge and ability to fly a passenger jet? Assuming you got hired today and passed training in 2 months, would you have the requisite knowledge, skills, ability, and experience to safely do the job?
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To answer your question, no I don't think I do. I would prefer something else in the pipeline patrol, or aerial surveillance type of job. But those are hard to get this time of year.

David
 
BajtheJino said:
Maybe it's your attitude?
People don't deserve jobs. They are earned. We (well most of us that is) that fly for a living have earned our jobs by doing what it took to get there by CFI'ing, flying freight, traffic, VFR135 or any number of ways. Just because your 36 doesn't mean that you're not going to have to put some time, effort and MORE money into getting what you want. If you don't have the money to get what's needed get a loan or a CC, go to a CFI factory and be done with it. I'm much happier doing what I do now neck deep in debt than I was doing what I was debt free.
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I don't think its my attitude at all. I survived 16 years in the Navy and did fairly well, but I was unable to go until retirement for reasons I won't go into here. I was discharged honorably though.

I know what effort and investing time are. I have already gotten loans for training and used up all of my savings to get where I am. I already had my private. I wish I was debt free. So far for the debt I have, there is nothing but certificates to show for it and they don't make me a commercial pilot without a job, only qualified. How would you feel if you spent over $40000 on a new career and can't get a job? Yes, it makes me hostile from time to time because of stress. I took a big gamble on flying as a career. My former career wasn't going to go anywhere. How many times can one get knocked down and pick them self back up again? I can count 5 times in the last year and a half for me so far.

I have very little left financially and may have to stop flying all together. That has already happened to me once, and it was 5 years long. I don't want it to happen again.

David
 
dc3flyer said:
I am going to have to go with flhrci on this one..... If you can get a job with low time, and you don't really "want" to be a CFI, then DO IT!!! I would not blame you!

There is no such thing as "dues" anymore! And besides that, go back 30 or 40 years and see how many major airline captains were CFI's, I bet the number is short, the were probably mostly ex-military.... So shame on all of you that were not military pilots, you should have paid your dues!

I know a lot of guys that got a "lucky" break somewhere in their flying career. There are a lot of guys on here that have gotten somewhere they want to be without being a CFI for years. In my opinion, being a CFI is a lot more than a rating, you have to want to do it, and be passionate about it. If you are not, then you should not do it. (period)
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I would kill to have a message board for the transition between ex-military guys and the "modern" system of airline hiring. Maybe we would have heard this 'dues' argument before... or perhaps it already happened, but we didn't have such a venue to expose it industry-wide. If the latter happened, I guess it's true what they say about crap rolling downhill. The new guy will always bear the burden, because he is new.
 
Its not even about dues, its about learning how to deal with different situations, becoming a good enough pilot that you can actually be an asset in the cockpit instead of a liability, things like that. Its not "just because that's how we did it". Its not even just about flying skills, while flight instructing you'll learn how to deal with people you dont usually get along with, learn a great deal about communication, and absolutely learn how to be patient.
 
mojo6911 said:
Sorry, you were misinformed. Besides instructing, no insurance company is going to allow you to be paid as a PIC with less than 500 hours. Even traffic watch in day VFR in a 172 requires around 500 hours.
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Ehhhh.....your mileage may vary.
 
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