shinysideup
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Doug Taylor said:
Thanks...Didn't know if you guys had a specific rule about that in your manuals.
Jackarse Jumpseaters
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Thanks...Didn't know if you guys had a specific rule about that in your manuals.
shinysideup
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aloft said:
Well...we are not part of the CASS system, and therefore cannot ride in the actual jumpseat when riding on another airline. We have to have an open seat in the back. Also, I fly a Cessna 402 that is older then I am, not a big plane, there is a lot that is the same, but a lot of differences.
shinysideup
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Mr_Creepy said:Best to shave it.
What's the point of having one anyway? Everytime I ever grew one it was more of a hassle to maintain than just shaving. I would always let practicality win over vanity after a while
What's the point... Its all about the ladies. No, just wanted to have one, I figure my next 20-30 years in the industry I will have to be bald faced, might as well do it now.
GaTechKid
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If you depend on jumpseating to get to/from work you're a fool to not introduce yourself to the Captain, ask permission, and thank them for the professional courtesy they just extended to you. I found out today just how stressful commuting can be. All 8 flights from ORD-PIT and 6 from ORD-BUF were overbooked and I barely got back for work on the jumpseat from MidAtlantic. On this particular flight there were a few open seats when I listed, but as I was filling out the paperwork 3 MidAtlantic crewmembers walked up to the counter and announced they were deadheading. Well the nerves started again and continued as I sat down awaiting a call. After 5-10 minutes the deadheading captain called me up to the podium and confirmed I was an Airways Express pilot. He then told me when he was at US Airways mainline that the rule was that a deadheading crewmember couldn't bump a US Airways/Express pilot jumpseating back to work and that this rule would apply here. I was assured the cockpit jumpseat and a ride to work! He and the captain for the flight worked it out and we all managed to get on without a seat to spare. I made sure to thank the deadheading captain about 3 times and the flight crew about half a dozen.
Aero_Engineer
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iowapilot said:
It is an ego thing`
Common, after spending all that money and time, gaining all that experience to be in command of a jetliner you are saying it is an ego thing. It is not ego, it is pride that every pilot has in this specific line of work. I am hoping to become a commercial pilot one day and if I have to feel neglected in something that I am the ultimate person responsible for, hell I would kick his/her ass out of the cockpit.
If something God forbid happens, I don't wanna feel wierd asround another person, I have lives to safe and a plane to land safely.
Once again remember Jumpseating is a priviledge as is Non reving and it can be taken away anytime in a blink of an eye so be nice and act professional and you will be treated the same way.
BPF
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EatSleepFly said:
I am a gate agent and yes, we have ABSOLUTLEY NOTHING to do with jumpseaters except have them fill out a jumpseat authorizaton form for the CAPTAIN to confirm and sign...hence FINAL AUTHORITY IS IN THE HANDS OF THE CAPTAIN. It's not an ego thing, its the damn rules.
n77j
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"He asked the FA where I was, she said I was "out," and he proceed to go take his seat. She never told him that he didn't have to check with me. She never told him that he could simply take his seat. He simply elected to do so on his own."
IMO- the FA and perhaps the F/O should have been a little proactive in advising you of the JS onboard before taxi. Not that the JS is out of the woods but, communication and being vigilant amongst crewmembers is very important, to say the least.
IMO- the FA and perhaps the F/O should have been a little proactive in advising you of the JS onboard before taxi. Not that the JS is out of the woods but, communication and being vigilant amongst crewmembers is very important, to say the least.
Maximilian_Jenius
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n77j said:
The F/O was probably a 250 hr. MAPD grad. I'm told they can't program a FMS and think for themselves all at the sametime. So reminding the CA about the JS was out of the question!
MDPilot
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We had a jumpseater last week from ATL-MIA (from our own air line) that did not have his cert and medical with him. Said he left them in his flight bag in NYC. Captain reminded him that the FOM requires these to be shown to the Captain when jumpseating. Jumpseater whined and said "Well, no one else makes me do that." I said I carry mine with me 24/7 and he couldn't believe it. "What if somebody robs you?" he said. I replyed "What if some captain follows the FOM and you get stuck in MIA trying to get back to NYC?" Follow the rules, guys.
Bog
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Thanks to all of you who have explained this situation. I didn't think it'd be this hot of a thread when I posted it yesterday.
It confounds me to think someone who is not a pilot, nor an airline pilot, will come to this thread and tell us how things should be. No offense, but if you're not living it, you don't understand it. This is not an ego thing. This is a rule. It's about respect and ethics, not ego.
If I were to deny a jumpseater from a non-codeshare airline, my company would care less. My CP would probably back me 100% for it, too. Boil it down to a codeshare pilot, and sure, I'd better have a darn good reason for saying "no." Why? Politics and money at the corporate level. It'd simply be a case of senior management putting a bad child in time-out for misbehaving. Anything to keep the money flowing in.
Let's refresh my situation. The jumpseater in question works for a major, let's give it the initials "VV," which has not hired in at least 5 years. Hence, he knows very well the rules, regulations, and policies regarding the jumpseating process. If this gentleman had been employed by Shuttle America, Skywest, United, et al, yes he could have simply non-revved and been 100% good to go. But ... he was NOT employed by them and, therefore, not a non-rev.
The gate agents do NOT check credentials. Perhaps 2% of the Southwest gate agents have checked anything past my ID, and they have no idea who Mesa is, what our badges look like, or anything else. I think the only gate agent who ever checked my papers worked for TWA. This is the reason why, as a jumpseater, you are required (sans Horizon or similar) to present yourself, your pilot license, your medical certificate, and your company-issued ID to the Captain of the aircraft upon which you are trying to jump. You are also supposed to be ready to answer a few questions about the aircraft you fly, again to demonstrate that you are who you claim to be. Since any given Captain of any given aircraft possesses (thanks for the FARs) the ultimate authority for the flight, it follows that the Captain must know who's on board. That's how it works. Those are the rules.
Still think I'm on an ego trip? OK. In early 2000, whilst still a newbie FO, I jumpseated on this particular pilot's airline. Twas a short flight, running late, and the gate agent issued me the jumpseat pass and told me to board. I queried about introducing myself to the Captain and was told "No, he'll be busy, just go." Well, upon deplaning in DFW, the Captain asked me if I had his permission to board. Rather nervously, I explained the entire situation. He was not happy, but understood what had happened, and politely told me to ALWAYS check with the Captain or FO, no matter what the gate agents say.
Lastly, the jumpseat form issued by UAL has a part labeled "Flight Captain's Copy." Sooooo ... what other hint would be required that someone needs to say hello?
It confounds me to think someone who is not a pilot, nor an airline pilot, will come to this thread and tell us how things should be. No offense, but if you're not living it, you don't understand it. This is not an ego thing. This is a rule. It's about respect and ethics, not ego.
If I were to deny a jumpseater from a non-codeshare airline, my company would care less. My CP would probably back me 100% for it, too. Boil it down to a codeshare pilot, and sure, I'd better have a darn good reason for saying "no." Why? Politics and money at the corporate level. It'd simply be a case of senior management putting a bad child in time-out for misbehaving. Anything to keep the money flowing in.
Let's refresh my situation. The jumpseater in question works for a major, let's give it the initials "VV," which has not hired in at least 5 years. Hence, he knows very well the rules, regulations, and policies regarding the jumpseating process. If this gentleman had been employed by Shuttle America, Skywest, United, et al, yes he could have simply non-revved and been 100% good to go. But ... he was NOT employed by them and, therefore, not a non-rev.
The gate agents do NOT check credentials. Perhaps 2% of the Southwest gate agents have checked anything past my ID, and they have no idea who Mesa is, what our badges look like, or anything else. I think the only gate agent who ever checked my papers worked for TWA. This is the reason why, as a jumpseater, you are required (sans Horizon or similar) to present yourself, your pilot license, your medical certificate, and your company-issued ID to the Captain of the aircraft upon which you are trying to jump. You are also supposed to be ready to answer a few questions about the aircraft you fly, again to demonstrate that you are who you claim to be. Since any given Captain of any given aircraft possesses (thanks for the FARs) the ultimate authority for the flight, it follows that the Captain must know who's on board. That's how it works. Those are the rules.
Still think I'm on an ego trip? OK. In early 2000, whilst still a newbie FO, I jumpseated on this particular pilot's airline. Twas a short flight, running late, and the gate agent issued me the jumpseat pass and told me to board. I queried about introducing myself to the Captain and was told "No, he'll be busy, just go." Well, upon deplaning in DFW, the Captain asked me if I had his permission to board. Rather nervously, I explained the entire situation. He was not happy, but understood what had happened, and politely told me to ALWAYS check with the Captain or FO, no matter what the gate agents say.
Lastly, the jumpseat form issued by UAL has a part labeled "Flight Captain's Copy." Sooooo ... what other hint would be required that someone needs to say hello?
Aero_Engineer
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Bog said:
Very well said, bottom line damn it just follow the rules. How hard is it to go and say hi to a person that is in your same profession and you may share some view points.
I am not a pro pilot yet but I used to make the Alaska pilots beg for mercy since I asked so many questions every day. I was just excited to be around them.
The ego thing aside, it is just being nice even if you are not jumseating and non reving to let's say Hawaii to just go and say hi I am a pilot also. JEEEZ!!!!!
B767Driver
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MDPilot said:
Have had the same situation before. The captain told him to go get his certificates. He missed the flight.
It seems to me that after 20 or 30 years on the job...guys get to the point where they feel an entitlement to not have to follow the rules to the letter. It's a lack of professionalism. Unfortunately, I see it a lot.
I always carry mine in my wallet for a couple of reasons. If I'm in uniform, I look like a 12 year old, and when I'm not in uniform they always think I'm a flight attendant.
Besides, if it gets stolen, call the chief pilot and start the process. If I get mugged, the least of my concern is that pilot's license.
Besides, if it gets stolen, call the chief pilot and start the process. If I get mugged, the least of my concern is that pilot's license.
B767Driver
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Checked into a hotel last month...immediately donned my shorts and running shoes and when for a run.
When I came back...I opened my wallet to get some receipts to balance the checkbook...to my surprise...all of my cash was gone. Everything else was there...ID, receipts, etc.
Someone at the hotel obviously knew that pilots go for a run and would leave their wallet in the room. I was thankful they only took the cash...and nothing else.
Through the electronic keylocks...hotel security can see who has accessed your room and at what time. I'm not sure if they pinpointed who did it...but the hotel manager reimbursed me for the total amount of cash I stated was in my wallet.
That tells me...that they knew an employee had done the deed.
When I came back...I opened my wallet to get some receipts to balance the checkbook...to my surprise...all of my cash was gone. Everything else was there...ID, receipts, etc.
Someone at the hotel obviously knew that pilots go for a run and would leave their wallet in the room. I was thankful they only took the cash...and nothing else.
Through the electronic keylocks...hotel security can see who has accessed your room and at what time. I'm not sure if they pinpointed who did it...but the hotel manager reimbursed me for the total amount of cash I stated was in my wallet.
That tells me...that they knew an employee had done the deed.