Jackarse Jumpseaters

iowapilot said:
No, I said pilots who have a "mighty me" complex.
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Define please? I may be guilty.

Furthermore, the gate agent has already said there was a jumpseat available and he has already shown his credentials before boarding the aircraft. All this is is an ego thing as far as I'm concerned.
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Disagree.

Apparently one of the 911 hijackers had improper credentials and had access to the jumpseat. The captain confirming the credentials of the cockpit jumpseater even though the gate agent checked prior to boarding might have made a little bit of difference. Perhaps not, but if a passenger is too busy to check in with the cockpit crew and do the customary task of asking permission to ride the jumpseat, he's more than welcome to procure an ID-90 or use a buddy pass.

An "example" FOM says, and I quote:

All cockpit jump seat riders must introduce themselves to the Captain, request permission to ride the jump seat, and present required documentation...

...the Captain is responsible for ensuring the jump seat rider meets all eligibility requirements. Each jumpseat rider must:
- Be able to speak and understand English
- Posses physical capabilties such that they would not interfere with crew duties during an emergency egress.
- Possess physical capabilities such that they will be able to operate the appropriate equipment located at the observers seat, i.e., seat belt/shoulder harness, oxygen mask/smoke goggles, window/doors, and seat, if appropriate.

If the company really wanted to nail Bog, they could have said that he allowed jumpseat access without following procedure.
 
iowapilot said:
No, I said pilots who have a "mighty me" complex.

Furthermore, the gate agent has already said there was a jumpseat available and he has already shown his credentials before boarding the aircraft. All this is is an ego thing as far as I'm concerned.
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I have a friend who is a gate agent and she knows im a good pilot. I show up to the airport and show my cool flight school ID and i wear my cool two stripe uniform. She lets me to the airplane and I fly for free everywhere b/c i never introduce my self to anyone.
 
I'm writing this on my new wireless pda on a ksan layover...hope it works.

But, guys...the reason you always check in with the Capt....is not only for courtesy reasons....but because you are an extra crewmember serving under the direction of the Capt. The FAA allows the JS program in the name of safety by having an extra crewmember available. You are technically not a passenger, but a part of the crew.


Shame on that JS'er.
 
Kingairer said:
That says "Cockpit" Jumpseaters.
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The way I've always seen it is that you're a cockpit jumpseater until the captain releases you to 'flow back' to the cabin with the agreement of the lead flight attendant.

Whenever the captain says, "Take an open seat in back", I always ask the lead flight attendant, "Do you mind if I take a seat in the passenger cabin?" followed by "Where would you prefer I sit?" because sometimes she wants you in the exit row, or sitting aft/forward (in some aircraft) for weight & balance purposes.

What I'm trying to say is that you need to always introduce yourself to the cockpit crew and then should introduce yourself to the lead flight attendant.
 
I agree with you. I was responding to the "company could nail bog". I dont believe they could in this case.
 
MQAAord said:
The guys fought hard with the introduction of the 'jumpseat', and took control of it as part of the cockpit. It became considered the CA's jumpseat, and never forget that riding a jumpseat is a privilige. F/As did not step up and take control of the cabin jumpseats in such a way, and have only recently begun to negotiations to get reciprocal agreements with other airlines.
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This just supports the argument that the jumpseat belongs to the carrier, not the captain.

Pilot602, calm down man, you'll bust your next physical getting so worked up over nothing.
 
"...In a case of a conflict over who is entitled to the jump seat, he Captain will have final authority to make the final decision...

"...The Captain may offer the jump seat rider a seat in the cabin after coordination with the lead flight attendant..."
 
aloft said:
This just supports the argument that the jumpseat belongs to the carrier, not the captain.

Pilot602, calm down man, you'll bust your next physical getting so worked up over nothing.
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Its the capt jumpseat...make no mistake about it.
 
I think Im qualified to chime in on this topic being a former cs/gate/ramp agent.

I cant disagree more with Iowapilot's comments. Why is it when someone is just following the rules or company sop they are automatically labled as being a harda$$ or going on some kind of power trip. I used to get it all the time (well not all the time) from pax when trying to explain to them why I couldn't let them on the plane (after checking in late) when "its sitting right there" or why they had to pay a fee to change their ticket. Why? ITS THE RULES!!

In this situation...the jumpseater should have known to introduce himself to the CA. Its courtesy and procedure. And I can fully understand why Bog is upset...because as stated before, its his name on that manifest not the FO not the gate agent and not the FA.
 
If there is a violation for a flight it goes to the CA, not the company.

Further, as I understand the jumpseat privileges, especially when riding on another companies Captain's planes. I think of it as a good will agreement between the pilots of one airline to another. I regularly have pilots jumpseat with Cape Air who live on Nantucket, and we are the only way to get from Boston. Usually, they say hello prior to the flight, and one time I had a pilot in the back row of the 402 just hold his Delta ID and license up, mouth "thanks" all while I was giving the pre flight briefing. After the flight we talked for a few, and he let me know he appreciated the ride. With our company we allow the gate agents to clear them for W&B purposes, and then most pilots will do the right thing and say hello. I just listen for the magic "Thanks." After that everything is fine. A few weeks later I was jumpseating to Ohio, and that Captain was flying that leg, and he made sure that the flight attendants put me in first class.

One question for the Delta, AA, United, etc. guys on here. Last time I was jumpseating, while talking to the Captain, after I asked for a ride, and handed my papers. He said "I have never seen a Captain with facial hair." I keep a nicely trimmed gote, which is not against company policy, and I explained that I fly un-pressurized 402s, 26 miles between HYA and ACK at 1500 feet, and we don't have O2 on board, so no need to have a facial hair rule. I honestly thought I was going to be out of a ride, but he allowed me on. No my question, would you guys and gals look at that the same way? Should I shave it if I am going to jumpseat? I never show up in anything less then a shirt and tie, but rarely in uniform. I understand professional appearance, but does a gote make a difference to you guys?
 
MQAAord said:
There are rules of etiquette for jumpseating.

Just as there are rules of table etiquette, one does not let a humungous belch in a fine restaurant, for example. Why? It's just manners.
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You know, in some countries that is considered a compliment to the chef.

Just as in Oklahoma, a monkey peeing on the airplane's tire is a sign of good luck.;)
 
Dress Standards:

... No beard or goatee - Exception Secret Service personnel traveling in the line of duty...
 
shinysideup said:
Last time I was jumpseating, while talking to the Captain, after I asked for a ride, and handed my papers. He said "I have never seen a Captain with facial hair." I keep a nicely trimmed gote, which is not against company policy, and I explained that I fly un-pressurized 402s, 26 miles between HYA and ACK at 1500 feet, and we don't have O2 on board, so no need to have a facial hair rule. I honestly thought I was going to be out of a ride, but he allowed me on. No my question, would you guys and gals look at that the same way? Should I shave it if I am going to jumpseat?
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Not that my opinion means anything here, but as I understand it, a jumpseat rider is expected to function as an extra crewmember should the need arise. What if you had to don an O2 mask while riding the jumpseat? You'd have seal problems.
 
aloft said:
This just supports the argument that the jumpseat belongs to the carrier, not the captain.

Pilot602, calm down man, you'll bust your next physical getting so worked up over nothing.
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Perfectly calm. No one around here has ever seen me angry. ;)
 
For those of you who think it's the Capts jumpseat. We have Capts on leave without pay for bumping UPS jumpseaters on company business. We have been told outside a suspicion that a jumpseater is a safety threat, there is no reason to bump a jumpseater since the aircraft was certified with the jumpseats. Capts authority is NOT unfettered...and that's a quote. The FAA is backing the company. As I said, IPA meetings with the FAA to clear up any possible misunderstandings are being held this next week.
 
Best to shave it.

What's the point of having one anyway? Everytime I ever grew one it was more of a hassle to maintain than just shaving. I would always let practicality win over vanity after a while :)
 
DE727UPS said:
For those of you who think it's the Capts jumpseat. We have Capts on leave without pay for bumping UPS jumpseaters on company business. We have been told outside a suspicion that a jumpseater is a safety threat, there is no reason to bump a jumpseater since the aircraft was certified with the jumpseats. Capts authority is NOT unfettered...and that's a quote. The FAA is backing the company. As I said, IPA meetings with the FAA to clear up any possible misunderstandings are being held this next week.
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Don, you are in a different situation. Your jumpseaters are technically "passengers" that have to be cleared through dispatch. Nobody has an awesome jumpseat reservation system like UPS!

Don't they even list the name of the jumpseaters on your release?
 
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