Jackarse Jumpseaters

iowapilot said:
I just want to know how the hell he got out there in the first place then. Maybe if it is YOUR aircraft the company would call down and ask if it is okay with YOU if they send someone out to jumpseat? Just makes no sense to me, and like I said I don't work for an airline so I really don't know how it should work, just what I think does or doesn't make sense to me.
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The company makes sure the individual is eligible to jumpseat, and that there's a spot available for them. However, it is ultimately the captain's decision as to allow that person on board their aircraft.
 
iowapilot said:
I don't work for the airlines, nor do I ever intend to, but this is precisely what I was thinking when reading BOG's rant. I just felt that yes, the captain is in charge of the aircraft and it's safety, but it isn't his aircraft.
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Oh? And whose aircraft is it? Who is responsible for that piece of equipment? The airline CEO? The dispatcher? Or maybe it's the gate agent. Yeah, yeah, that's the ticket!

Bog I had that happen a couple of times to me and I did exactly what you did.
 
Well, I will tell you that I am one of the most respectful people out there and would probably come up to you regardless. However, I have a real problem with pilots (I mean all pilots, not just airline) that have this "mighty me" complex, and I imagine that if I was reamed by a captain for something like that I would ask him to go lube up the nose, stand in front of the aircraft bending over and have his FO taxi the thing right up his ass.

Like I said, I never intend to work for an airline and I imagine it's because of this type of stuff we are discussing. I think it's rediculous.
 
iowapilot said:
Well, I will tell you that I am one of the most respectful people out there and would probably come up to you regardless. However, I have a real problem with pilots (I mean all pilots, not just airline) that have this "mighty me" complex, and I imagine that if I was reamed by a captain for something like that I would ask him to go lube up the nose, stand in front of the aircraft bending over and have his FO taxi the thing right up his ass.

Like I said, I never intend to work for an airline and I imagine it's because of this type of stuff we are discussing. I think it's rediculous.
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It's not "mighty me" complex, it's "my name is on the LEGAL pieces of paper that say this specific flight and specific aircraft with these specific people are legal to make this flight." If one name is wrong the crew can be violated. If the weight is off the crew can be violated. That piece of paper makes that aircraft the PIC's for that flight because that piece of paper (and the FARs, and FOMs) tie that pilot to that aircraft forthat flight and if anything so much as a monkey pees on the tire the crew is held responsible and can, guess what, be violated.

As far as the "power" to deny boarding it's in the FARs.

It's the FIRST friggin' rule:
"Sec. 91.3 - Responsibility and authority of the pilot in command.
(a) The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the operation of that aircraft. "

You got a problem with pilots? Why you hanging out on a pilot board?
 
Mr_Creepy said:
602 thank you for that post.
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Any time ... see I'm not always piss and vinegar ;)














well, OK I am but that's just adorable me!:nana2:
 
No, I said pilots who have a "mighty me" complex.

Furthermore, the gate agent has already said there was a jumpseat available and he has already shown his credentials before boarding the aircraft. All this is is an ego thing as far as I'm concerned.
 
iowapilot said:
Furthermore, the gate agent has already said there was a jumpseat available and he has already shown his credentials before boarding the aircraft. All this is is an ego thing as far as I'm concerned.
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The gate agent has squat to do with it. It's ultimately the captain's call.
 
iowapilot said:
No, I said pilots who have a "mighty me" complex.

Furthermore, the gate agent has already said there was a jumpseat available and he has already shown his credentials before boarding the aircraft. All this is is an ego thing as far as I'm concerned.
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So? The gate agent saw the credentials. Big deal. Is the gate agent's name on the release/manifest? No.

So this guy could have show his credentials to the monkey peeing on the tires and it would have meant the same thing to the crew and the FAA. I.E. it meant NOTHING. Erego Bog has a right to be pissed and you should really quit before I get angry. ;)
 
Whatever dude. So be pissed. I probably won't lose a wink of sleep tonight over it. It's an ego trip that is rampant through that industry.
 
iowapilot said:
Whatever dude. So be pissed. I probably won't lose a wink of sleep tonight over it. It's an ego trip that is rampant through that industry.
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I'm not pissed and you still haven't answered my question if you have such a problem with pilots why, exactly, are you hanging out on a 1) pilot board and 2) airline pilot board?

Have a good nights sleep tonight!
 
There are rules of etiquette for jumpseating.

Just as there are rules of table etiquette, one does not let a humungous belch in a fine restaurant, for example. Why? It's just manners.

A jumpseater introduces himself to the captain. Why? It's just manners.

Bottom line: While the CA is responsible for the aircraft, it's his airplane. Period. Why? Because it's his butt and his certificate on the line if something happens. It's not an ego thing, it's a responsibility thing.

The guys fought hard with the introduction of the 'jumpseat', and took control of it as part of the cockpit. It became considered the CA's jumpseat, and never forget that riding a jumpseat is a privilige. F/As did not step up and take control of the cabin jumpseats in such a way, and have only recently begun to negotiations to get reciprocal agreements with other airlines.
 
Well not all rampers are a-holes, same as pilots. But I grant you, there are always a few captains out there that ruin it for the rest of us.
 
A jumpseater introduces himself to the captain. Why? It's just manners.
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Not only manners, but a strong case could be made for a regulatory issue. A captain is ultimately responsible for knowing who in on the flight, for the very least, weight and balance issues.

Security is an issue that best not be covered here, but is still the captain's responsibility.
 
iowapilot said:
Whatever dude. So be pissed. I probably won't lose a wink of sleep tonight over it. It's an ego trip that is rampant through that industry.
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I take it you dont know what the hell youre talking about.
 
Mr_Creepy said:
Not only manners, but a strong case could be made for a regulatory issue. A captain is ultimately responsible for knowing who in on the flight, for the very least, weight and balance issues.
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Perhaps I should have said it "A jumpseater introduces himself to the CA, that's just the way it's done."
 
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