It's not very Clear

[Minuteman]

What if that variation in procedure, requirements, or configuration is considered a feature and not a blemish of the fielded checkpoints?

On one finger it seems advantageous to keep a ‘bad actor’ unsure of what they will encounter or when something is going abnormally.

On a second finger (same hand), it’s a lot easier to refute claims of institutional malfeasance if each division is out there just kinda doin their own thing to at least a minimum standard.

The only down-side I can identify for that style is “are nation’s 21st-century travelfighters” having a less-than-seamless experience, and that don’t pay bills. The TSA doesn’t survey people coming out of checkpoints ever, do they?

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

You’ve plainly never been to Heathrow, my dude.

I have, twice.

Ironically, the strictest security I’ve ever been through was at LHE. Normal screening was 2 patdowns. Men separated from women. They don’t mess around. I am a male age 18-39, that’s the most strictest of checks. And the old guy doing my second check was not to be trifled with.

My second pick would be NRT.


Screening in America is a joke.

 

[SteveC]

I have, twice.

Ironically, the strictest security I’ve ever been through was at LHE. Normal screening was 2 patdowns. Men separated from women. They don’t mess around. I am a male age 18-39, that’s the most strictest of checks. And the old guy doing my second check was not to be trifled with.

My second pick would be NRT.


Screening in America is a joke.

Israel is right up there.

 

[trafficinsight]

I’m pretty sure all those things actually do is put you at the front of the pre check line, where you are to receive the same perfunctory inspection as you always do. I don’t think these programs get you much other than that, but could be incorrect.

Unpopular opinion, perhaps, but the actual “random” inspection I sometimes get doesn’t irk me much. What does irk me is TSA’s complete inability to be consistent across stations in policy, practice and procedures.

They tried to take the ice bag in my food bag away last week... while I was in uniform.

Like... what?

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

Israel is right up there.

And I'll say this as a brown moose lamb, I think the political correctness is nuts. Seeing white grandmas getting the touchy feely treatment just shows the terrorists won long after 9/11.


I have zero problem getting extra screening even if a white grandma gets less than me. Statistically speaking, someone that looks more like me has caused all sorts of **** in aviation. Sad, but true. But we can't say this out loud. Now I'm not saying a free pass for white people and pull every brown person aside for extra screening. But somewhere in between is a happy medium. The current "random" process is not the solution. Not effective at all.

Israel has it right. They know who causes **** and they are all up over it. Your security screening flying El Al will be VASTLY different than my screening flying El Al.


AS IT SHOULD BE

 

[SteveC]

Israel is right up there.

Posted in 2006:

I've been through El Al's screening before, and I believe the hype about it being the best in the world. Problem is that it is very labor intensive (i.e. lots of screeners needed), and the screeners must be well above average intelligence, implying an above average wage to entice the appropriate demographic. Do you see that happening here in the States, land of the low-bid / Walmart mentality?

[caution, thread derailment ahead]
For that matter, do you really see the potential payback in spending the kind of money required to institute El Al type security here? I wonder if anybody would care to do a cost/benefit analysis ('dollars spent' versus 'lives saved') comparing 'stopping terrorist attacks' to 'stopping drunk driving'? (No fair factoring in public paranoia or political agendas. )

[grinning, ducking, and running]

I have flown on El Al in the past, and I was always extremely impressed with their security operation. The are, without doubt, the best in the world.

I will, though, have to argue with your premise that they don't profile. Reference this USAToday (news lite) article from 2001:

There are many pros and cons to the Israeli system. To simplify, the biggest "pro" is that it works very very well, and the biggest "con" is that it costs probably 10 times as much per passenger as our current system.

Here is another article that covers the issue further: Bloomberg.com

...and 2008:

Wait till you go through Tel Aviv, if you haven't already. Sharp people simply asking twenty questions (or more like ten questions)...best screening in the world. You have to experience it to believe it.

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

Even MAD I was asked a couple quick questions. One that stood out, “how did you get to the airport?”

I said a taxi from my hotel.

“How much was the taxi fare?”


I told him.


Don’t know if it’s the same now, but back then, it was a fixed rate from the city downtown area to the airport. So my answer shows honesty or not.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

They tried to take the ice bag in my food bag away last week... while I was in uniform.

Like... what?

I mean, it’s like everyone saw Idiocracy and took it as an instruction manual.

 

[Roger Roger]

SeaTac security is a special circle of hell.

 

[ASpilot2be]

SeaTac security is a special circle of hell.

That's the airport in general.

 

[Roger Roger]

That's the airport in general.

I have a feeling I’m going to miss BFI

 

[ASpilot2be]

I have a feeling I’m going to miss BFI

Probably. You'll miss the simplicity.

 

[Roger Roger]

Probably. You'll miss the simplicity.

Descend via the jawbn6 landing south

 

[///AMG]

Seatac is a disaster. Doubly so, now that they are doing the 24th st bridge mod from the NEPL. I can't wait to go back in Oct.

 

[azmedic]

I wish we could all do JSX style screening.


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[bike21]

That's the airport in general.

I feel like all my trauma for the ORD days make it smell like roses.

 

[BEEF SUPREME]

Seatac is a disaster. Doubly so, now that they are doing the 24th st bridge mod from the NEPL. I can't wait to go back in Oct.

Talk to the bus drivers. Apparently they are going to being working on the tunnel for the bus and other vehicles where the two employee drop off and pick up stations are.

That means the bus will have to take the airport boulevard that becomes a traffic jam at nearly all hours of the day.


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[///AMG]

Talk to the bus drivers. Apparently they are going to being working on the tunnel for the bus and other vehicles where the two employee drop off and pick up stations are.

That means the bus will have to take the airport boulevard that becomes a traffic jam at nearly all hours of the day.


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oh no. Is this supposed to occur after the bridge work, or at same time? Not that it really matters since it will be a disaster either way I'm sure

 

[BEEF SUPREME]

oh no. Is this supposed to occur after the bridge work, or at same time? Not that it really matters since it will be a disaster either way I'm sure

It's coming. Sounds like after. They did it in 2019 as well. It's one of the options on the Port of Seattle's misery bingo sheet. Also both 405 from Bellevue to Renton will be entirely closed and 518 will be closed eastbound both Saturday and Sunday this weekend.

 

[///AMG]

Did said bus driver say why they delayed the start of the bridge work?