Rotor2Wing
Unapologetically American
Nix the above!! First year SAAB CA pay is now $41.11/hr. The raise was in May.
I think my biggest beef is that they've basically taken the flying that used to be done by Mesaba. I never worked at Mesaba but I hear it was a fine company that paid fair wages and treated their employees pretty well. I actually feel bad for a lot of the ones I fly with at Pinnacle. They'll ask questions about things and be like "is this how it always is?" and I generally have to reply with "other airlines do it better than this wonderful company?" with as much sarcasm as possible.
So yes, the used to be Gulfstream argument is out. My rant is more that Delta continues to ruin careers of those working at regionals by constantly realigning their flying with the lowest bidder. It's just good business on paper, I realize that. Still doesn't change the fact that I don't like the business model.
Quick!!!! How fast can we get to the bottom!!!
I realize these are just code share routes but its absolutely sickening to know these routes used to be operated by an excellent carrier with respectable pay and QOL.
I guess I didn't realize the difference between codeshare and interline agreement. It is a pretty small difference though from the reading I just did on it.
I realize Silver did not directly TAKE the flying from Mesaba. Delta eliminated that flying from Mesaba. Silver simply found the market and decided to enter it. Delta then comes in an inks an agreement with Silver so that a potential passenger in one of these EAS cities can buy an entire itinerary where they travel on both Silver and Delta to ultimately get to their destination.
Basically Delta is able to keep these routes and book passengers on these routes without even having to contract the flying out to the lowest bidder.
You work there. I'm NOT calling you out for working there, I'm NOT saying you're wrong for working there. I'm simply saying Delta has found a way to use you guys in their network for cheaper than what Mesaba could do the same flying for. That is what I don't like. Delta continues the race to the bottom and all other legacies follow the lead as best they can. Of course if I worked at Delta my view would be that its BS and that flying needs to be done in house. Maybe I'm weird for that. I don't know.
Where's the hate man? I never used hate. I simply DO NOT LIKE the way this system is setup. I do not hate Silver and I do not hate those that work there. I personally would not work there. That's me though.
Congrads, '08 snapback rates bankruptcy contract rates (if memory serves).Nix the above!! First year SAAB CA pay is now $41.11/hr. The raise was in May.
Write down the exact time and date you said that. Looks like about 9:12pm our time 9/27/12.It's a good little airlines with lots of potential and a much brighter future than 9E does.
I think my biggest beef is that they've basically taken the flying that used to be done by Mesaba. I never worked at Mesaba but I hear it was a fine company that paid fair wages and treated their employees pretty well. I actually feel bad for a lot of the ones I fly with at Pinnacle. They'll ask questions about things and be like "is this how it always is?" and I generally have to reply with "other airlines do it better than this wonderful company?" with as much sarcasm as possible.
So yes, the used to be Gulfstream argument is out. My rant is more that Delta continues to ruin careers of those working at regionals by constantly realigning their flying with the lowest bidder. It's just good business on paper, I realize that. Still doesn't change the fact that I don't like the business model.
Congrads, '08 snapback rates bankruptcy contract rates (if memory serves).
Let us know when you get to 2011 rates $47.00 first year.
Write down the exact time and date you said that. Looks like about 9:12pm our time 9/27/12.
Welcome to the airlines, land of instant karma, you're good time will soon come to an end because this industry rewards whichever airline and pilot will come in cheaper.
Well, if ctab likes it, I must be 100% wrong. First time for everything, I suppose.
Id have to ask some of the old timers. the snapbacks were still a part of the concessionary contract so i'm lost why that matters.Since Silver's contract can be considered concessionary, what were the pay rates before the snapbacks?
Done.
Sorry to bust your little bubble, but I've already been through enough rough times in this industry.
I'm just happy I can be happy and proud of who I work for these days. You should try it sometime.
So is it Silver you have the beef with, or Delta? Face it - the regional business is what ruined the airlines. The regional business is what "lowered the bar". The mainline guys that sold scope for a couple of extra coins screwed you - not Silver. Yay for Mesaba...but guess what - I bet, somewhere long ago - they took the flying from somebody else and ruined those lives. It's the nature of the beast. And "whose flying" is it? Did Silver come in one day and announce to Mesaba "Hey, asswipe, I'm taking your flying"? Or, did Delta put flying up for bid and Silver put a proposal together that won? Point is, Delta made the call, not Silver.
I see what you're doing there....Regionals are like motor oil.
The business model is broken and the way I see it there's only two ways to fix it, government intervention, or a recapture of scope by the mainline pilots. I'm strongly against government intervention so I just hope that down the road scope is slowly recaptured.
I do believe we could definitely help ourselves as pilots if we weren't enablers of the crap system that has been setup. We step on each other to go work for the company that pays even less than the last company just because we'll get to that left seat faster and we tell ourselves its not that bad of a place to work.
My main complaint however remains this...
The system is setup so Delta can continue to take the lowest bidder or find ways to replace flying through codeshares or interline agreements. This can cause many careers to be derailed as the companies that lose flying are downsized, furlough, bankrupt, and have new contracts forced down their throat.
bronco21016 said:I never thought of it that way when it comes to the pilots. I'm not saying I dislike DPA or Ctab or have any hard feelings towards them. I just wish we didn't have to go work for the lowest bidder to chase our way out of the regional rat race. They're doing what they feel they need to do and if they make it out of this mess before I do then more power to them.
Delta is brilliant for doing things the way they are and they absolutely shouldn't do things differently. I agree 100% that scope is the problem and that is what must be fixed to stop this crap. I thought I had mentioned that before but re-reading my posts I now realize I haven't mentioned scope. Scope is the problem first and foremost. Scope created the business model I complain about.
Id have to ask some of the old timers. the snapbacks were still a part of the concessionary contract so i'm lost why that matters.
i was very proud of mesaba if you're that worried i've never felt like you, so dont worry about my little bubble. enjoy my saabs they always brought me home, bought my first home, and gave me a hell of a qol.
ctab5060X said:Sorry, but they are not your Saabs anymore.