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derg said:
“Paki” is known as a slur. Do not.

I also roundly reject the soft bigotry of the term “peaceful Muslim”. Bro, the vast majority of Muslims are peaceful, just like Christians, and in the US, arguably MORE peaceful.

Personally, I’ve never had a Muslim call me the N-word. I can’t say the same for people who claim to be Christian so please be thoughtful when you’re throwing religious barbs at people unlike you.
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Thankfully, most Christians and Muslims very very lightly associate with the mythologies of their ancestors and find comfort in liberal democracies.

Even in the most fundamentalist of Muslim nations I’ve been treated with kindness and generosity.
 
derg said:
Bingo.

I don’t think many people feel that the last thing they want is American intervention in their internal affairs. Especially as a country where we’re shooting our own people in the streets, a justice system dependent on the color of your skin and wealth, and restricting freedoms. Which, again, is hilarious how the administration was thirsty for Scandinavian immigrants but why in the world would a person from a Scandinavian country with a high standard of living, social order, healthcare and very few poor people want to find themselves in some “Ayn Rand on Quaaludes” Texan experiement?
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Depends where you go, you’ll see varying feelings. Uncle in Westwood said some big celebrations going on there today, happy the leader is gone.
 
Pilot Fighter said:
A knowledgeable person might lead with the proposition that civil aircraft shouldn’t operate in war zones where folks have fingers on triggers.

Beyond that, if you’re operating an airliner in a war zone you should consider monitoring guard freq. An urge to meow could have prevented this tragedy.
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There’s that victim blaming. But when I do it, it’s bad.


How did we excuse it? A climbing plane versus a diving fighter jet? Oh that’s right, “scenario fulfillment.”
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Sounds like Iran was hardly a threat. And last June we were told their nuclear ambitions were and I quote, “obliterated.”

Now only to start yet another war in the ME just 8 months after that “obliteration.”

Because, according to Trump, Iran was “imminent” in reaching nuclear capability that could strike the United States.

Weird.
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It is almost as if the person that said obliterated and imminent can’t be trusted.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
There’s that victim blaming. But when I do it, it’s bad.


How did we excuse it? A climbing plane versus a diving fighter jet? Oh that’s right, “scenario fulfillment.”
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Not sure what made the IRGC SAM operators think that a plane that suddenly popped up out of nowhere, wasn’t tracked from anywhere, was on a slow climbing flightpath, and squawking it’s M3 with no M4, was some threat aircraft of some kind.

Of course, SAM operators from a number of places have been knocking down friendly aircraft in the past two decades. Not exactly a confidence maker.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
There’s that victim blaming. But when I do it, it’s bad.


How did we excuse it? A climbing plane versus a diving fighter jet? Oh that’s right, “scenario fulfillment.”
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I’m not victim blaming, I’m providing some additional relevant information that you conveniently excluded from your post.
 
Roger Roger said:
I remember seeing videos of celebration when Saddam fell also, but we know how that turned out.
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Well, as some of my dad’s family including that uncle are there in the encino, Sherman oaks and Westwood areas, I’m not exactly going to call him a liar. The people there aren’t exactly fans on the regime.
 
knot4u said:
Their nuclear program was slowed down significantly, the entire program wasn't obliterated but some of the sites were.
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That’s in direct contradiction to Trump’s assertion that Iran was imminent to have nuclear weapon technology to hit the United States. You and I both know in this, he is FOS.




knot4u said:
The ayatollah was an assahola and the world is better without him. But you're upset. You're so domesticated that any opportunity to claim the victim card is your first reaction, any chance to claim you're an oppressed minority absolutely must be exploited!
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Can I ask, what in the past 15 yrs has the ayotsllah done to hurt you or America?

The biggest “asshola” the past 15 yrs has been Putin. Took over Crimea in 2014 (on an aviation note, gave us the MH17 777 shoot down). He’s since invaded Ukraine, killed HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS. And put Europe and NATO on the brink of WWIII.


…but we don’t bomb him. Weird how that works out. Turns out nations that can truly harm us, we don’t ever dare attack.


Shows in details how the ayotalah was worse than Putin.




knot4u said:
Negotiations regarding their nuclear weapon progression stalled.
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Ok. So? You’d agree negotiations with Putin also stalled, but we didn’t bomb Russia. I know you are intelligent. I know you can’t possibly buy this reason of stalled negotiation. Trump had his entire economic policy (tariffs) get shot down by SCOTUS. All the appropriate experts called it, that now an Iran attack was imminent from Trump.




knot4u said:
I heard a good analogy regarding Iran earlier today, it's as if you have an unruly teen that lives down the street, this kid likes kicking pets and lighting other peoples stuff on fire as a fun past time. One day you find out someone is going to give him a handgun and some ammo. What do you do? You'd call the cops. The cops just showed up, it has nothing to do with religion. You as a peaceful muslim should celebrate the removal of this stain on your religion. I don't adhere to any organized religion but I'd guess my upbringing would lean me more towards Christianity. You want to know what I don't like about it? The Crusades, they went out to either kill non believers or convert them. Sound familiar? Jihad, Muslims are copying Catholics. Defending the current regime in Iran is reprehensible if your basing it solely on your religion or race. You're a paki, you should be championing Pakistans current war against Afghanistan, oh wait. Muslim.
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This is just a bunch of gibberish with a tint of bigotry.

I’m certainly no fan of the ayotsllah. When it comes to world leaders being world threats, the ayotsllah doesn’t even make it to the top 5 in that list. In that list, #1 is Trump. Then followed #2 Putin.
 
derg said:
“Paki” is known as a slur. Do not.

I also roundly reject the soft bigotry of the term “peaceful Muslim”. Bro, the vast majority of Muslims are peaceful, just like Christians, and in the US, arguably MORE peaceful.

Personally, I’ve never had a Muslim call me the N-word. I can’t say the same for people who claim to be Christian so please be thoughtful when you’re throwing religious barbs at people unlike you.
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Is "Cracker", "Brit", "Canuck" or "Aussie" acceptable? I can't recall ever calling anyone "the n-word" and I spent a disproportionate amount of time in traffic on the 405. He's said he doesn't partake in the Muslim Brotherhood shenanigans but when they get jacked up he jumps in and claims it's because of racism. We're the same age and perhaps you were a little further removed from the violence than I was but I remember when the Bloods and the Crips were just killing each other indiscriminately all over LA, lots of non combatants were killed or injured. Do I think it was a black problem? No, I think it was a family problem first and a gang problem second. White people do so much horrible stuff, religious or otherwise, that I don't try to defend it. That's white privilege, we don't have to jump in to defend white people when a white person gets his ass kicked by the cops for being stupid. It's just another dumb white dude.
 
MikeD said:
Well, as some of my dad’s family including that uncle are there in the encino, Sherman oaks and Westwood areas, I’m not exactly going to call him a liar. The people there aren’t exactly fans on the regime.
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I’m not calling you one either. I’m just saying that just because some, or even many, are happy about it, doesn’t guarantee a good ending.
 
knot4u said:
Is "Cracker", "Brit", "Canuck" or "Aussie" acceptable? I can't recall ever calling anyone "the n-word" and I spent a disproportionate amount of time in traffic on the 405.
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I never used these terms, so not sure what you’re driving at.




knot4u said:
He's said he doesn't partake in the Muslim Brotherhood shenanigans but when they get jacked up he jumps in and claims it's because of racism.
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What is this “Muslim brotherhood?” Honestly, you sound like a podcast guy. You choose what to listen to, without any regard to the quals of the person behind the mike, and just pickup key talking phrases that sound “good.”




knot4u said:
We're the same age and perhaps you were a little further removed from the violence than I was but I remember when the Bloods and the Crips were just killing each other indiscriminately all over LA, lots of non combatants were killed or injured. Do I think it was a black problem? No, I think it was a family problem first and a gang problem second. White people do so much horrible stuff, religious or otherwise, that I don't try to defend it. That's white privilege, we don't have to jump in to defend white people when a white person gets his ass kicked by the cops for being stupid. It's just another dumb white dude.
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I just don’t see how this is relevant here.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Inexcusable for an AEGIS ship. Bottom line, they went looking for trouble and invented trouble in the process.
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So, that’s the bottom line? It’s the bottom line because you have unilaterally declared it to be the bottom line. Your reductionist methodology has failed you and you look silly, again.
 
Roger Roger said:
I’m not calling you one either. I’m just saying that just because some, or even many, are happy about it, doesn’t guarantee a good ending.
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This is true. And also on the video thing, you're also correct about videos themselves, especially in today’s AI world.
 
Pilot Fighter said:
So, that’s the bottom line? It’s the bottom line because you have unilaterally declared it to be the bottom line. Your reductionist methodology has failed you and you look silly, again.
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I’m not the one victim blaming and justifying shooting down an A300 when one was sitting -at the time- be of the most advanced weapons systems for a ship.
 
MikeD said:
Not sure what made the IRGC SAM operators think that a plane that suddenly popped up out of nowhere, wasn’t tracked from anywhere, was on a slow climbing flightpath, and squawking it’s M3 with no M4, was some threat aircraft of some kind.

Of course, SAM operators from a number of places have been knocking down friendly aircraft in the past two decades. Not exactly a confidence maker.
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They’re obviously not hiring the best and the brightest. A common problem even in the west :)
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
That’s in direct contradiction to Trump’s assertion that Iran was imminent to have nuclear weapon technology to hit the United States. You and I both know in this, he is FOS.






Can I ask, what in the past 15 yrs has the ayotsllah done to hurt you or America?
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Iran has been funding muslim terrorist groups all over the ME for decades, Hezbollah, Hamas and the Houthis come to mind. Iran was close to refining nuclear weapon grade materials (imminent) and if you think we didn't have talks with all of the other players in the region before that got shut down you probably think fairies are real. Iran is now attacking all of their neighbors, why? SA, Qatar, Kuwait have all been hit with retarded missiles (or they're smart missiles, I don't know) they've managed to hit one US base, a hotel and a residential building, ours and Israels missiles all just hit pinpoint targets. Irans missiles seem like bottle rockets, you can point them in a direction but you have no idea where they'll land. And you're trying to defend that sort of indiscriminate destruction?
 
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