Instability at Endeavor

flynryan692 said:
I'm curious, would you rather have your hours cut short term (2-3 months) but have your job long term, or have your full hours short term and end up furloughed in 6 months? Personally speaking I'd rather go through a short period of suck if it means I still have my job and seniority in a year from now, versus looking for a new job or in a new job at the bottom of the seniority list, but that's just me. I'm genuinely curious how you view that situation.
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Well if we’re thinking this will only last 2-3 months, I’ll take no reduction and no furlough.

No two situations are alike, so hard to compare when the cure seems to be snake oil and warm weather according to the person making the decisions.
 
Wonderlic said:
I'd rather keep full pay and not get furloughed which will be my situation since I'm unionized.
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flynryan692 said:
I'm curious, would you rather have your hours cut short term (2-3 months) but have your job long term, or have your full hours short term and end up furloughed in 6 months? Personally speaking I'd rather go through a short period of suck if it means I still have my job and seniority in a year from now, versus looking for a new job or in a new job at the bottom of the seniority list, but that's just me. I'm genuinely curious how you view that situation.
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I’m not sure you understand how unions work. All union groups have been very involved with their companies to cut costs and preserve jobs in the form of voluntary time off and early retirements. It’s not like the company’s only choice is to furlough half the department to save money if the department is unionized. Companies and unions can and do negotiate major things in between contracts.

After all the cost cutting options are exhausted and planes are still 5% full the end of this year then there will be furloughs just like there will be at Skywest.
 
Scarebus said:
I’m not sure you understand how unions work. All union groups have been very involved with their companies to cut costs and preserve jobs in the form of voluntary time off and early retirements. It’s not like the company’s only choice is to furlough half the department to save money if the department is unionized. Companies and unions can and do negotiate major things in between contracts.

After all the cost cutting options are exhausted and planes are still 5% full the end of this year then there will be furloughs just like there will be at Skywest.
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exactly and while the company is making current and future decisions the union has a seat at the table and is relaying those messages to their people so they dont have to come on to public message boards and ask questions about their jobs
 
flynryan692 said:
I'm curious, would you rather have your hours cut short term (2-3 months) but have your job long term, or have your full hours short term and end up furloughed in 6 months? Personally speaking I'd rather go through a short period of suck if it means I still have my job and seniority in a year from now, versus looking for a new job or in a new job at the bottom of the seniority list, but that's just me. I'm genuinely curious how you view that situation.
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this isn’t going to be a 2-3 month deal, bud.

taking a pay cut now won’t stop furloughs

to be fair a union won’t stop furloughs either, but they do provide order and best possible outcome for employees (if the union is functioning properly.

All airlines will likely have to furlough from this maybe with the exception of our cargo friends.

Taking a partial hourly cut, partial pay cut, time off without pay, time off with very little pay are all good ways to prolong the inevitable but at the end of the day this is a major disruption and cannot just *poof* go away and all our jobs be saved.

It is unfortunate, we will triumph in the long run, and most of us will get our jobs back *at some point* ...but taking a partial cut now will not save you from furlough. So yeah, I’m glad I’m part of a union and yeah I’ll take my full pay now and save unemployment for when I really need it (it is a limited amount of time/money after all)

You do what works for you, and I’ll do what works for me :biggrin:

**standard disclaimer** if I am wrong about this as I said before, I’ll be very glad. And I’ll welcome all the “I told you so’s” from the overly optimistic group
 
airdave37130 said:
this was suppose to be about how endeavor is doing....NOT ABOUT THE BENEFITS UNION VERSUS NON UNION SHOPS....
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Isn't that what we do here, hijack threads? Surprised it hasn't turned into a discussion about the next Delta class. Too soon for a joke like that?
 
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