Imminent Strike at G4

MikeD said:
As a sidebar, this calm and friendly back and forth in this thread makes me miss young, new-regional-pilot @jtrain609 who was angry and would demand that they burn the damn place to the ground! STFD!!

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The reality is that I'm still angry, and still happy to burn the damned place to the ground, but only for the right reasons.

That being said, I can see the angle that the attorney's are trying to work here. It's a crease, and that's where you gain territory; not by being so risk adverse that you're sitting in a corner pooping your pants.

Basically, I used to think like this:



Now I think more like this:

 
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@HVYMETALDRVR im in vegas on the ramp watching the sun rise looking at your 757 and a handful of maddogs. I can't help but think the balls some of these mgmt guys have threatening to bring the whole operation down over such petty things as paying their pilots a fair wage. In the grand scheme of it all its just a small percentage. They're willing to risk it all for something that won't hurt them very much.
 
mrivc211 said:
@jtrain609 is that you? :)
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Nope! And let me tell you what, having known @Eagle421flyer for a little while now, it takes a lot to get the guy this pissed off. He's one of the most reasonable guys I've ever met, and if he's gotten to the point where he thinks burning the place down is better than letting management run the pilot group like this, then it's high time to get some pitch forks out.
 
jtrain609 said:
Nope! And let me tell you what, having known @Eagle421flyer for a little while now, it takes a lot to get the guy this pissed off. He's one of the most reasonable guys I've ever met, and if he's gotten to the point where he thinks burning the place down is better than letting management run the pilot group like this, then it's high time to get some pitch forks out.
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If you guys need help the one eyed mullah is here
 
mrivc211 said:
@HVYMETALDRVR im in vegas on the ramp watching the sun rise looking at your 757 and a handful of maddogs. I can't help but think the balls some of these mgmt guys have threatening to bring the whole operation down over such petty things as paying their pilots a fair wage. In the grand scheme of it all its just a small percentage. They're willing to risk it all for something that won't hurt them very much.
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I feel sorry for them that they're soo badly hell bent on money and the bottom line. The should be proud of themselves, the company and its employees for the explosive success they enjoyed. Instead they're asking why did we spend $2.00 on those 3 ring binders when we could have spent $.50?

I'm a 100% capitalist at heart and love that our company found a niche and has run with it. If our management had embraced they're employees from the start and respected them instead of saying, "we're not another f'n airline!" (literally) our share price would be +500/share and be running up like Priceline with $2bil in sitting cash in the bank. Instead we're in the middle of the Cuban missile crisis. We have management that instead of being satisfied with the 2 mil in profits last week (which is record setting) they ask why didn't we make $3 mil?

They tell us to fly safe and say thanks, then in the same breathe they tell us to "be flexible," TDY us out of seniority, and can't seem to get our mid month pay correct.

It's embarassing, but if the staffing trends continue we'll be the first non-regional to have massive staffing issues. Another member here was asking me about being in the LAS base or commuting for Compass. (that's not a dig on him at all, the way things are run out there that's a tough call to make.) Embarassing.

Rant over, time for a second latte.
 
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HVYMETALDRVR said:
That's actually one of the points of contention right now, and is dependant upon the legal definition of "bargaining."
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No, you don't understand what I mean. In that case, the actions taken by the carrier that violated the status quo were made specifically to avoid having to bargain. Your contention that the company isn't bargaining in Section 6 is separate and apart from the status quo violation.
 
HVYMETALDRVR said:
I feel sorry for them that they're soo badly hell bent on money and the bottom line. The should be proud of themselves, the company and its employees for the explosive success they enjoyed. Instead they're asking why did we spend $2.00 on those binders when we could have spent $.50?

I'm a 100% capitalist at heart and love that our company found a niche and has run with it. If our management had embraced they're employees from the start and respected them instead of saying, "we're not another f'n airline!" (literally) our share price would be +500/share and be running up like Priceline with $2bil in sitting cash in the bank. Instead we're in the middle of the Cuban missile crisis. We have management that instead of being satisfied with the 2 mil in profits last week (which is record setting) they ask why didn't we make $3 mil?

They tell us to fly safe and say thanks, then in the same breathe they tell us to "be flexible," TDY us out of seniority, and can't seem to get our mid month pay correct.

It's embarassing, but if the staffing trends continue we'll be the first non-regional to have massive staffing issues. Another member here was asking me about being in the LAS base or commuting for Compass. (that's not a dig on him at all, the way things are run out there that's a tough call to make.) Embarassing.

Rant over, time for a second latte.
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Lattes? You Florida guys sure do lead a cushy life... the best we get in OAK is gunfire in the early hours of the morning followed by instant coffee with a suspicious powdered donut... and you have all the good airframes.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
No, you don't understand what I mean. In that case, the actions taken by the carrier that violated the status quo were made specifically to avoid having to bargain. Your contention that the company isn't bargaining in Section 6 is separate and apart from the status quo violation.
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No sir.... he got it right.... he isn't referring to Section 6 bargaining. This is all status quo specific...
 
ATN_Pilot said:
No, you don't understand what I mean. In that case, the actions taken by the carrier that violated the status quo were made specifically to avoid having to bargain. Your contention that the company isn't bargaining in Section 6 is separate and apart from the status quo violation.
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We're working on that angle because the company really hasn't, at least not in good faith. And trust me the company has done everything they can to avoid real bargaining. And yes I know, it's separate from the status quo issue and was not the legal basis for our recent strike attempt.

I've talked to members our NC that have been in the room with the company. They're tactics have included not showing up, sending in a 22 yr old accounting intern with a list of terms that says, "here's all I can do...," that happened a couple times in a row. Then finally a manager showed up after the company was warned by the NMB, a couple minor articles were TA'd. After that another inexperienced young intern showed up with a list of requests that were concessionary and regressive including rolling back items that had previously been TA'd. This has also resulted in stern warnings from the NMB again. Most recently, the NMB had to cancel a meeting due to budget constraints, the arrangements were made to meet (in DC I think) and the company backed out, refusing to meet.

The next session is the last week of April, and while the NMBs reaction to our latest strike attempt remains to be seen. The company, to be quite honest is bad at negotiating and dragging things out. They haven't even been close to staying in the NMBs good graces, which has helped us thus far.
 
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Avalon781ML said:
Lattes? You Florida guys sure do lead a cushy life... the best we get in OAK is gunfire in the early hours of the morning followed by instant coffee with a suspicious powdered donut... and you have all the good airframes.
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LOL I won't argue on the first points... Good airframes? I don't know if any of us MD-80 drivers can brag about that!
 
HVYMETALDRVR said:
Well, maybe your right. I just received this via text.

4-01-2015

Fellow Allegiant Pilots,

Unfortunately, the federal judge assigned has issued a temporary restraining order forcing us to temporarily postpone the strike. This is only a setback in our goal of restoring the status quo, and one of the possible outcomes of our calling a strike. The good news is that Judge Gordon will be assigned to the case on 10 April. Judge Gordon has ample experience with our plight from the court hearing last summer so this will certainly weigh in our favor. Again, don’t be discouraged, this is only a temporary setback.

More to follow, stay tuned.

EXCO and SPC

Although, its worth pointing out we still got our message out. The management spin of "all is well in Camelot," won't hold well with the shareholders after this. We'll see what the judge says on April 10th. To be continued...
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Which could have been the point the whole time.
 
jtrain609 said:
Nope! And let me tell you what, having known @Eagle421flyer for a little while now, it takes a lot to get the guy this pissed off. He's one of the most reasonable guys I've ever met, and if he's gotten to the point where he thinks burning the place down is better than letting management run the pilot group like this, then it's high time to get some pitch forks out.[/QUOTE
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Thanks @jtrain609 you're right I hardly ever get upset about stuff, but this bugs me to no end, and I don't want to see my friends be a smoking hole in the ground because of bad management.
 
I've gotta say guys, there's something that really bothers me about this thread, and it's that people who have been in ALPA leadership positions are ragging on our Teamster brothers under the auspices of "being right," a position that I question.

We've got guys that are potentially going to hang it all out there, and they deserve our support.
 
jtrain609 said:
I've gotta say guys, there's something that really bothers me about this thread, and it's that people who have been in ALPA leadership positions are ragging on our Teamster brothers under the auspices of "being right," a position that I question.

We've got guys that are potentially going to hang it all out there, and they deserve our support.
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I think what the guys from ALPA leadership are saying that there is a more reasonable, sensible and most important of all, POSSIBLE way to go about accomplishing their goal rather than pull a "LeRoy Jones" and run straight into a sure defeat.
 
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