Illegal substance use in the back

minitour said:
My thoughts:

We do not allow smoking, so a flip of the lights and a look back is important to begin with.

Why?
1) How do I know there isn't a fire in the cabin? It might not be smoking that I smell.
2) I tell every passenger that there's no smoking. So they need to be reminded that's not allowed.

If I can verify that they are smoking, I tell them to stop...if it's something illegal, I declare, have the po-po sent to the airport, then put on the mask and start down. After getting in, I get pulled off of "the line" for drug testing and to get my clothes cleaned. If the company doesn't want to clean the plane, they can send me home.....I'm just not dealing with that crap. The fact that they paid $xx,xxx for the trip doesn't concern me.

-mini
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cuz title says "Illegal substance use in the back" :insane:
 
Then you land in California, the police show up and your passenger pulls out their script.

Doooh! Somebody is job hunting!

(all assuming smoking is allowed on the aircraft)
 
minitour said:
So you're the captain. The pax walk up and ask you to turn out the cabin lights (because for some reason you insist they be on during flight...:rolleyes:...but that's another discussion) and about 10 minutes later, you smell something "funky". *ahem*

What do you do?

-mini
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Happened. Flying Sydney, Alex and this big latino chick out of FLL in our lear 25 to LAS. The outflow valves for the cabin are near the cockpit so all the smoke wafts forward. We advised that if they smoked, we landed. They put the butts out. It must have been cold in the cabin because it seemed they caught a bad cold. Lot of sniffling afterwards.

We advised in LAS that we would really appreciate them not getting higher than the Lear on the trip. 2 nights in LAS and we are by the pool when we see a gurney go back and it looks like that was Alex.. or Sydney. Anyway, we get a call and it is Sydney. "WE GOTTA GO!" We ask 'go where?' "ANYWHERE BUT WE GOTTA GET OUTTA VEGAS!"

We leave.

We didn't fly Sydney and Alex again.
 
Orange Anchor said:
Happened. Flying Sydney, Alex and this big latino chick out of FLL in our lear 25 to LAS. The outflow valves for the cabin are near the cockpit so all the smoke wafts forward. We advised that if they smoked, we landed. They put the butts out. It must have been cold in the cabin because it seemed they caught a bad cold. Lot of sniffling afterwards.

We advised in LAS that we would really appreciate them not getting higher than the Lear on the trip. 2 nights in LAS and we are by the pool when we see a gurney go back and it looks like that was Alex.. or Sydney. Anyway, we get a call and it is Sydney. "WE GOTTA GO!" We ask 'go where?' "ANYWHERE BUT WE GOTTA GET OUTTA VEGAS!"

We leave.

We didn't fly Sydney and Alex again.
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FLL - LAS in a 25!?
 
minitour said:
My thoughts:

We do not allow smoking, so a flip of the lights and a look back is important to begin with.

Why?
1) How do I know there isn't a fire in the cabin? It might not be smoking that I smell.
2) I tell every passenger that there's no smoking. So they need to be reminded that's not allowed.

If I can verify that they are smoking, I tell them to stop...if it's something illegal, I declare, have the po-po sent to the airport, then put on the mask and start down. After getting in, I get pulled off of "the line" for drug testing and to get my clothes cleaned. If the company doesn't want to clean the plane, they can send me home.....I'm just not dealing with that crap. The fact that they paid $xx,xxx for the trip doesn't concern me.

-mini
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:clap:
 
As for the charter/ management side of things…….
Charter customer not allowed to smoke period.
The Owner can do whatever he or she wants to do in their aircraft.
As for customs, we had some sort of bond that would cover the pilots on the 135 flights, but on the part 91 with the owner you were on your own. I only had something like this happen on one flight. I just explained that we were all breathing the same air. That seemed to be enough for them to put it out. Calling the “po-po” or even diverting the flight is the fastest way to be out of a job.
 
I think it depends on some random group of strangers or the guy who is signing my paycheck. Screw the strangers, but when you fly the guy that signs your paycheck, you keep our mouth shut, thats what he pays for. Be it booze, weed blow, or hookers.
 
AndrewT said:
There is actually an apparently famous comedian who has a private yet. He likes, or liked, to smoke pot in his plane, and I've heard that as soon as the pilots smelled the smoke, they'd get their masks on. Supposedly they told the FAA, and the gov't wanted to take his plane away, but I'm not sure how successful they were.
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You're not talking about that jackass whose son is in the pokey for stealing a citation and was fired by Ron White, are you? The FAA didn't do anything to RW.
 
If it was "ahiem" have a little fun.. Drop the cabin pressure enough to drop the oxygen masks (depending on aircraft type), and claim that they automatically drop when the smoke alarms detects smoke.. that should end the situation.
 
Capt Obvious said:
If it was "ahiem" have a little fun.. Drop the cabin pressure enough to drop the oxygen masks (depending on aircraft type), and claim that they automatically drop when the smoke alarms detects smoke.. that should end the situation.
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I'm still not sure how to explain that one to maintenance...

Or the owner.

-mini
 
Politely ask them to stop, let them know why you're asking, if they don't then let them know that they can either stop or we can land and they can walk the rest of the way.
 
Cptnchia said:
I take it that you're talking about flying a charter. Depends on if you like staying in the charter business. Or better yet, do a better job of screening who you charter to.

(This is why I don't fly charters.)
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This is why you don't fly charters? Are you sure?
 
If the pilot admits to knowingly transporting a passenger with drugs onboard, he will be in just as deep (if not deeper) shiat than anybody.

According to the FAA regs the pilot holds responsibility for any drugs he knowingly transports.

The only defense would be to say that he was unaware of the drug up until the passenger started consuming.

Don't let me ruin your beer and ciggies. At least, they're legal. Lethal, but legal.:beer:
 
In the real world, unless you wish to not be employed any longer...you do nothing. If it's a bother to you then just put on a mask. If it's against your morals find another job. Sounds harsh but that is just the way it is. Just the way of the corporate flight department world. See no evil, hear no evil, do no evil!
 
fsiflyer said:
In the real world, unless you wish to not be employed any longer...you do nothing. If it's a bother to you then just put on a mask. If it's against your morals find another job. Sounds harsh but that is just the way it is. Just the way of the corporate flight department world. See no evil, hear no evil, do no evil!
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Maybe in Soviet Russia. ;)
 
dasleben said:
Maybe in Soviet Russia. ;)
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:) Probably so.

I know if one of my pilots diverted for this issue he would have to do a little tap dance on the carpet for me. I would support him 100% but dance he will. It is not our plane. We are simply the overpaid taxi driver upfront as far as the rich guy in the back is concerned. These things are normally set by precedent from the moment you meet the pax. Be a professional from moment one.

Normally an odor is not the biggest problem. The rich and famous in Eastern Europe prefer other types of candy opposed to the wacky tobacky. We are not the morality police. If he wants to cruise at an altitude higher than the plane then that is his business. Keep the plane safe, keep your crew safe, and keep them safe from themselves but if safety is not a concern then get the plane to its intended destination, the pax safely off the plane, and then deal with the issue. Call your boss, explain things and let them take care of the problem at a much higher level. Once your boss says don't worry about it...then don't. Get the plane cleaned, go to the hotel and enjoy a cold beverage. Priority one is (safely) mission accomplishment!

Anyways, I hope I do not sound harsh. There is what we think is right, what we are taught, and what really happens in the real world. Let's put it this way, I have yet to see any of our airplanes, or other companies we are close with out here ever divert for anything like this. Ernest K Ganst once said that a good aircraft commander will have his intuitions coincide with actual events. Sometimes these events are not multiple system failures but a loony toon in the back and you gotta get them to Milan.
 
fsiflyer said:
:) Probably so.

I know if one of my pilots diverted for this issue he would have to do a little tap dance on the carpet for me. I would support him 100% but dance he will. It is not our plane. We are simply the overpaid taxi driver upfront as far as the rich guy in the back is concerned. These things are normally set by precedent from the moment you meet the pax. Be a professional from moment one.

Normally an odor is not the biggest problem. The rich and famous in Eastern Europe prefer other types of candy opposed to the wacky tobacky. We are not the morality police. If he wants to cruise at an altitude higher than the plane then that is his business. Keep the plane safe, keep your crew safe, and keep them safe from themselves but if safety is not a concern then get the plane to its intended destination, the pax safely off the plane, and then deal with the issue. Call your boss, explain things and let them take care of the problem at a much higher level. Once your boss says don't worry about it...then don't. Get the plane cleaned, go to the hotel and enjoy a cold beverage. Priority one is (safely) mission accomplishment!

Anyways, I hope I do not sound harsh. There is what we think is right, what we are taught, and what really happens in the real world. Let's put it this way, I have yet to see any of our airplanes, or other companies we are close with out here ever divert for anything like this. Ernest K Ganst once said that a good aircraft commander will have his intuitions coincide with actual events. Sometimes these events are not multiple system failures but a loony toon in the back and you gotta get them to Milan.
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Not to call you out or anything but "it happens all the time, welcome to the real world" is probably one of, if not the, the worst things we hear on a regular basis in aviation. If people couldn't get away with this kind of crap then they wouldn't do it. Plain and simple. I really don't care how much a rich person whines and cries that kind of stuff doesn't belong on my airplane.

I'm glad you'd support the pilot in that decision.
 
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