If Armstrong and Aldrin had been stranded on the Moon

OK, Mr Pedantic. How about, todays tech won't work because it's fueled by money, and there isn't enough money available to fuel it. Of course, I was going for the joke using the historical quote, but I guess you missed that.
 
edit to add---Hmm, did you edit your post, because it sure seems like you did, though there is no record of that. Perhaps I'm just losing my mind.

Nope, no edit. Although didn't "someone" accuse "someone else" about doing that?
 
Nope, no edit. Although didn't "someone" accuse "someone else" about doing that?

Not I, but I have seen it happen. No idea how it can happen, but it has. In this case, I guess I'm losing my mind. Oh well, life will probably be more fun.
 
I *think* that if someone is quoting a post, and the original post was edited before the reply was published, the quoted version gets updated when the "Reply" button is pressed/mashed/hit. I've never gone to the effort to verify that though. Maybe if someone is interested enough to do a Google search on the topic with regards to XenForo forums...
 
I *think* that if someone is quoting a post, and the original post was edited before the reply was published, the quoted version gets updated when the "Reply" button is pressed/mashed/hit. I've never gone to the effort to verify that though. Maybe if someone is interested enough to do a Google search on the topic with regards to XenForo forums...

That is exactly what seems to happen.

I think the JC should investigate it. That would make the Darren happy.

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I would say that if the technology today is way better than the 50's it will be way more economical than in the past. They couldn't even mantain the shuttles flying:rolleyes:............
Do you believe that we went to the moon?
 
I read that thinking that it's really sad that we don't think like that anymore. I must have just been amazing to grow up during that era when everyone was excited about furthering human exploration. I posted a lot of the Mars rover stuff on my FB page and I think only TWO people commented or even liked it. I've asked other friends when talking on the phone and they didn't even know it happened. DUDE! We just put something the size of a VW Jetta on Mars using a sky crane!!!!! :cool:


Sad isn't it? I was amazed yesterday. I was in Ontario for the night and had BBC world news on. They were actually interviewing someone from the Curiosity team, and did about 15 of Q&A with him. Why hasn't our media focused on this at all? It's so pathetic that people now don't give a crap about the accomplishment that Curiosity is. I actually saw a news story the other day in the morning headlines about some celebrity that got into a car accident and "Severely injured her thumb". So that's news, but landing a vehicle on another celestial body and exploring it is not. :bang::bang::bang:
 
Sad isn't it? I was amazed yesterday. I was in Ontario for the night and had BBC world news on. They were actually interviewing someone from the Curiosity team, and did about 15 of Q&A with him. Why hasn't our media focused on this at all? It's so pathetic that people now don't give a crap about the accomplishment that Curiosity is. I actually saw a news story the other day in the morning headlines about some celebrity that got into a car accident and "Severely injured her thumb". So that's news, but landing a vehicle on another celestial body and exploring it is not. :bang::bang::bang:

I go on CNN.com right now, and see a whole section at the top about Curiosity. I think the "Americans don't care" thing might be in your head, bro! :)
 
I like what Gus Grissom (presciently) said.


"If we die, we want people to accept it. We're in a risky business, and we hope that if anything happens to us it will not delay the program. The conquest of space is worth the risk of life."

What's interesting with this, in my mind, is that these people still exist in this country, but they're in aviation anymore.

They're attorneys, and they're in finance.

The incentives for the intelligent go getter is NOT in aviation anymore, like it was when guys like Grissom were risking life a limb. If you're smart and you want to do something interesting, you go work in finance and make zillions of dollars. Risk life and limb to have to be a super dork, get a PhD in physics or engineering and not be rich OR famous? Wall Street doesn't sound so bad in that case.
 
Wall Street doesn't sound so bad in that case.

Except there's a vital component missing from Wall St. Yes, it's interesting, and yes, it requires an incredibly sharp mind to "get ahead" (especially important for figuring out in whose back you can bury the dagger safely). But there is no civic virtue in the thing (in fact, rather the opposite). Everyone who's been around aviation for a few years knows that there are plenty of guys who are hot sticks, just as everyone in Wall St. most likely knows that there are plenty of guys who have the right combination of multivalent thinking, quick arithmetic, and rude, animal cunning. The difference is that the Wall St. "winner" can only chase greater and greater purloined wealth. And of course nothing will ever be enough, because there is no actual endpoint or goal.

OTOH, the astronauts could at least tell themselves that they'd done something for humanity, been part of something bigger than themselves, etc. Achieved something. We (esp. in the US) try enormously hard to convince ourselves that we aren't pack animals, but you can't simply decide to ignore millions of years of evolution. There's a reason that investment bankers jump out of windows and astronauts don't.

For my part, I sure wish more of the bankstas would.
 
I go on CNN.com right now, and see a whole section at the top about Curiosity. I think the "Americans don't care" thing might be in your head, bro! :)


It might just be sample size. My FB feed was flooded with people posting and commenting about the Mars Curiosity lander. I had friends who had parties to watch the landing (I didn't go, I'm not that nerdy). So hope is not lost!
 
It might just be sample size. My FB feed was flooded with people posting and commenting about the Mars Curiosity lander. I had friends who had parties to watch the landing (I didn't go, I'm not that nerdy). So hope is not lost!

That's been my experience, as well. What concerns me most is our fellow Americans who are so quick to lose faith!
 
I might be referencing hyperbole, but space exploration is quite CHEAP relatively speaking. Anyone have any real numbers?
 
You know, we could buy ALMOST SIX F-22s to sit around in a hangar and not fly for what it cost us to send a freaking VW to some icy rock in outer space. If that's not a waste of money, I don't know what is. I think the Pentagon needs to send a specialist to NASA to teach them how to spend money on the really Important things.
 
I have never been there. What about you???
Do you believe that the United States sent men to the moon on multiple occasions, specifically the Apollo missions, or do you believe that they were a hoax?

edit to add: You can certainly equivocate the answer if that's how you believe as well. I'm not going to bash whatever answer you give (or even argue with you about it), I'm just curious if you actually feel strong enough to take a position publicly rather than just beat around the bush.
 
Do you believe that the United States sent men to the moon on multiple occasions, specifically the Apollo missions, or do you believe that they were a hoax?

edit to add: You can certainly equivocate the answer if that's how you believe as well. I'm not going to bash whatever answer you give (or even argue with you about it), I'm just curious if you actually feel strong enough to take a position publicly rather than just beat around the bush.

Alas, if only we could use an earth based telescope to see the landers. That would put this to rest.
 
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