jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
Really? They never did that to me in PVD.
ID badge no longer gets you through security?
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Really? They never did that to me in PVD.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
Different airports enforce it as far as I could tell, though at the same time I never used a holder so it wasn't an issue for me.
Did you hear why that one happened? Turns out some genius FO based out of Cleveland (so you know it's one of four airlines) decided to make a high quality photocopy of his original ID badge, put it in a holder and got away with getting through security with it for a month before somebody caught it.
Or at least that's the story I got.
Velocipede
New Member
You're exactly right, Train. Each individual TSA airport Kahuna has the right and authority to interpret the rules as they see fit.
E_Dawg
Moderator
As for my original post... I can now confirm that you do need a boarding pass to get through security in FAT.
Your crew ID badge, obtained through extensive interviewing, fingerprinting, drug testing, and a 10yr background check? Keep it in your pocket, folks!
It's the home-printed boarding pass on cheap paper that'll get you through.
Yet another example of a crap city taking itself way too seriously. Security there is the most overzealous of any airport I've ever been to. Besides Frankfurt (maybe.)
Your crew ID badge, obtained through extensive interviewing, fingerprinting, drug testing, and a 10yr background check? Keep it in your pocket, folks!
It's the home-printed boarding pass on cheap paper that'll get you through.
Yet another example of a crap city taking itself way too seriously. Security there is the most overzealous of any airport I've ever been to. Besides Frankfurt (maybe.)
E_Dawg
Moderator
Really, I'm totally 100% resigned to the fact that the TSA will do whatever they want whenever they want, will implement whatever counter-productive procedures they can come up with, and will give zero notice to us pilots beforehand.
The only reason I'm even pissed about this is it's gonna involve a trip to Costco for another $40 print cartridge.
The only reason I'm even pissed about this is it's gonna involve a trip to Costco for another $40 print cartridge.
surreal1221
Well-Known Member
How is Fresno taking itself too seriously?
Is the City really telling the TSA how to run the show? If it comes to that, perhaps the city needs to put their own security details in front of the x-ray machines.
As much as I can not stand the TSA, if a city sees it fit to try to dictate to a Federal agency how to run it's show, the TSA needs to close up their local shop and tell the city to deal with it. "It" being airport terminal security.
Is the City really telling the TSA how to run the show? If it comes to that, perhaps the city needs to put their own security details in front of the x-ray machines.
As much as I can not stand the TSA, if a city sees it fit to try to dictate to a Federal agency how to run it's show, the TSA needs to close up their local shop and tell the city to deal with it. "It" being airport terminal security.
surreal1221
Well-Known Member
I know that it is up to local airport authorities on whether or not dutying in crews must go through security or not. . .but as far as how the TSA operates. . .YGTBSM.
Of course my suggestions are pipe dreams.
Of course my suggestions are pipe dreams.
Cactus_Cutter
Well-Known Member
Does TSA have specifics on what constitutes a flight crew member uniform? Has this ever been challenged?
I mean the 100 or so carriers have differences in their crew uniforms. Some wear white pilot shirts, some blue, some brown, some none. Some wear gold epaulettes, some silver, etc. Some wear black pants, some blue, some brown, some jeans, etc.
So can a TSA agent properly identify a crew member’s uniform specific to their company ID badge? Do you think a TSA agent would know the difference between a person walking through with a Continental ID badge wearing an American Airlines uniform or a uniform bought at a pilot shop online? If not then this is all senseless of whether or not you need a uniform to pass through security?
Does the guy who gets permission from ATC to land his Cessna at a Class B or C airport and pull up to the ramp have a uniform? Does he even have an ID badge?
I mean the 100 or so carriers have differences in their crew uniforms. Some wear white pilot shirts, some blue, some brown, some none. Some wear gold epaulettes, some silver, etc. Some wear black pants, some blue, some brown, some jeans, etc.
So can a TSA agent properly identify a crew member’s uniform specific to their company ID badge? Do you think a TSA agent would know the difference between a person walking through with a Continental ID badge wearing an American Airlines uniform or a uniform bought at a pilot shop online? If not then this is all senseless of whether or not you need a uniform to pass through security?
Does the guy who gets permission from ATC to land his Cessna at a Class B or C airport and pull up to the ramp have a uniform? Does he even have an ID badge?
E_Dawg
Moderator
When I was at my cargo job a few years ago, I was able to get a SIDA badge after about a 10min visit to the airport office. It consisted of 'yup, I work here'.. and I was out the door with my new badge. This badge would allow me to not only avoid the terminal in it's entirety but actually drive my car up to the airplane, and leave it parked there overnight while I was gone.
The irony of it was, our ramp was right next to the airline ramp. So while I was able to drive my CAR up to the airplane, they had to do the usual dance with the TSA. And we were flying the exact same kind of airplane.
Didn't realize it at the time, but damn I had it good
The irony of it was, our ramp was right next to the airline ramp. So while I was able to drive my CAR up to the airplane, they had to do the usual dance with the TSA. And we were flying the exact same kind of airplane.
Didn't realize it at the time, but damn I had it good
TUCKnTRUCK
That guy
How about the absurd notion, that a crew member can fly an airplane into EWR, but if he wants to turn around and deadhead home on it, technically, due to his change in position etc, he must "exit" the secure area to be re screened, before boarding...wtf?!?
TSA Functions on the Theory that A visible Security Presence = Deterrence, and that works by creating a level of discomfort, or unease in thoes who are trying to do something illegal. To further reduce standardization between airports, and even checkpoints within a station makes it harder to nail down a certain routine, or weakness. A routine done the same way at every airport would make planning a diversion/loop hole/ exploit easy. Last minute "changes" to policy also make planning difficult. The reality is that getting past TSA is easy - It just cannot seem so. I doubt they are intentionaly implementing this as a strategy... But their own foolishness actually make sense from a security and safety planning standpoint.
TSA Functions on the Theory that A visible Security Presence = Deterrence, and that works by creating a level of discomfort, or unease in thoes who are trying to do something illegal. To further reduce standardization between airports, and even checkpoints within a station makes it harder to nail down a certain routine, or weakness. A routine done the same way at every airport would make planning a diversion/loop hole/ exploit easy. Last minute "changes" to policy also make planning difficult. The reality is that getting past TSA is easy - It just cannot seem so. I doubt they are intentionaly implementing this as a strategy... But their own foolishness actually make sense from a security and safety planning standpoint.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
The TSA, I've found, doesn't have any idea what it's looking at.
I'd be going through security in SLC to commute to EWR in my uniform. I'd show them my badge and they'd say one of two things:
-Do you have an SLC badge?
Of course I don't have a SLC badge you dumb ####, we don't have a base here.
-Huh, ExpressJet...never heard of them, is this a real airline?
We've got 25 flights a day departing out of here AS DELTA CONNECTION! You should see us constantly.
I hate the TSA.
germb747
Well-Known Member
KLB
Well-Known Member
LOL! Try being from Kalitta.
Or Ameriflight. Our operations are larger than most airlines at most bases that we operate in and out of and TSA still doesn't know who we are. Heck we're not even on the list to get through TSA without a security document in OAK.....buuutttt I can get through TSA easily without a security document in SFO where we never operate out of.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
Or Ameriflight. Our operations are larger than most airlines at most bases that we operate in and out of and TSA still doesn't know who we are. Heck we're not even on the list to get through TSA without a security document in OAK.....buuutttt I can get through TSA easily without a security document in SFO where we never operate out of.
True dat dude. I jumped out of LAX instead of Burbank once to get out to Nashville to hang with Lloyd and Lindsey. I go in uniform, and hand the security document to the TSA guy and he says, "What's this?"
But in Burbank? NOOOOOOOO, had to have a security document!!!!!!!!!! I had a freakin' SIDA badge for Burbank, but I had to have a security document. Amazing.
Cruise
Well-Known Member
I'll second that motion!
Avalon781ML
Well-Known Member
Where can I find this document... I would love to carry a copy around with me.... I had to learn the TSA in my home airport about not needing a boarding pass....
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