I think my students are trying to kill me...

respectively disagree, Mr. D :)

These are not standardized maneuvers, as you know.
If she wants the school to impose a "no zero-G" policy, then as you said, go to the chief and put it on the no-no list. Until then it is fair game.

For the student, I'd advise having him let you know prior to any maneuvers he's going to do, then let him know if they're more than necessary, performance-wise.
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I was thinking that, but didn't type enough words.

Dutch roll for a clearing turn? I don't know how that works, I'm guessing the OP didn't really mean a "Dutch roll". Maybe aggressive turning and excessive banking? what say op?

In any of the cases, I still feel like she would need to talk to him firm and authoritatively on how things are going to go.
 
Your students are trying to kill you, but they mean well.

This is just part of being a CFI, you are there to keep them safe from themselves until they figure out what they are doing. I suggest learning how to sweat on the right side of your face while leaving the left dry. :laff:

Just remember, you did it to your instructor at some point in time. This is just payback.
 
I'm seeing the phrase "Chief Pilot" in here a bit much for my taste. Call me nuts... but I'm more a fan of handling different styles and techniques on a personal basis vs. ratting out my co-workers.
 
Douglas said:
Dutch roll for a clearing turn? I don't know how that works, I'm guessing the OP didn't really mean a "Dutch roll". Maybe aggressive turning and excessive banking? what say op?
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I don't think it does, I actually thought she meant a real roll but put the word dutch in there for an unknown reason. In aerobatics training some instructors would have me clear the area by doing a 180 then a roll to check under us.
 
Douglas said:
respectively disagree, Mr. D :)

These are not standardized maneuvers, as you know.
If she wants the school to impose a "no zero-G" policy, then as you said, go to the chief and put it on the no-no list. Until then it is fair game.
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You're going to have to agree with me. You have no choice. :D

That's what I'm saying. The chief needs to put out to the CFIs the basics. You can't yell at one student for what another of your own CFIs is teaching him/her. That's shows underlying problems.

This is assuming I'm reading the whole problem correctly.
 
I thought about this a bit today.

There were some mention of students letting go, freezing and plain old craziness. In 6 years and 3300 dual I've never had this happen. Ever. I've had a couple students ask me to take the controls (which I politely denied them) but that is about it. Nothing completely out of control. I've been into a couple spins but I've always been able to get the student to recover on their own.

Do I just have really good students or am I just numb to it?
 
Share time -

Today I gave a company CFI a flight review.
After a few different stalls, I was looking out the side window, while he was cruising straight and level.
All of a sudden, I'm Zero-G and he is laughing wildly, "It has been too long since I've been able to do that" he says.

I couldn't help but smile and think, "hmm topical".

And to think, yesterday I thought, 'I've never experienced your problem'.
 
Codyjp said:
Do I just have really good students or am I just numb to it?
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Maybe a bit of both? Some people just have a calming persona, if you fall into that category then I applaud you. Few people do IMO.

I don't have nearly the hours you do and I did have one lock up. Took me about 5 seconds to get an intro flight to let go of the controls on final. The flight went fine, he was doing a great job so I said he could follow the controls with me on final. He froze up like a statue as we dropped below 200-300'. A few calm requests for him to take his hands off the controls while I worked the rudders to keep level and we landed fine.
 
Put the kid into a spin, say "your controls" and see how they react. I'm gonna assume if it's a young jock student pilot, he'll have to change his panties.

And when they're done recovering (or handing the controls back to you) say, "Now that you realize how stupid you've been suprising me with all of your little actions, can we get back to the lesson at hand?" with a smug look on your face. I think they're not taking your position seriously.

Are they taller than you? (This is a serious question). I've had problems with some students in emphasizing my authority because I'm shorter than most of the guys I've flown with. I've found that when you're doing ground with them, while they're sitting, try to stand and show you're larger (both physically and mentally).
 
shdw said:
Maybe a bit of both? Some people just have a calming persona, if you fall into that category then I applaud you. Few people do IMO.

I don't have nearly the hours you do and I did have one lock up. Took me about 5 seconds to get an intro flight to let go of the controls on final. The flight went fine, he was doing a great job so I said he could follow the controls with me on final. He froze up like a statue as we dropped below 200-300'. A few calm requests for him to take his hands off the controls while I worked the rudders to keep level and we landed fine.
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Calm is good. There are people who can work with an animated, loud, and aggresive instructor. Though. in my experience there are more people who work with a calm "tres cool" instructor. Yelling causes more stress which can compound an already stressful situation.
 
Calm is good.

I went for a ride along with my brother who is a cop. We end up arresting a guy on Sunday morning for an outstanding warrant and being under the influence. (11am and 2 beers down!)

He goes completely through the booking process with the guy explaining all the while what is going to happen, what he needs to do to get bail etc. Were walking out of the jail and he shouts my brothers name.

"Thanks for being cool about this, you didn't have to be nice to me but you were I really appreciate it."

He thanked my brother for arresting him. It was great.
 
Codyjp said:
Calm is good.

I went for a ride along with my brother who is a cop. We end up arresting a guy on Sunday morning for an outstanding warrant and being under the influence. (11am and 2 beers down!)

He goes completely through the booking process with the guy explaining all the while what is going to happen, what he needs to do to get bail etc. Were walking out of the jail and he shouts my brothers name.

"Thanks for being cool about this, you didn't have to be nice to me but you were I really appreciate it."

He thanked my brother for arresting him. It was great.
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A lot of people don't realize that. This applies to everything...not just flight instructing.
 
Codyjp said:
He goes completely through the booking process with the guy explaining all the while what is going to happen, what he needs to do to get bail etc. Were walking out of the jail and he shouts my brothers name.
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I am a good guy, no arrests, didn't get into trouble at school etc. However, I have had bad experiences with cops the few times I have encountered them. I seriously see a cop car and want to ram my truck into it, they make me see red.

That said, I applaud your brother and wish there were more cops like that. It seems nice cops are the minority.

In the words of george carling..."your a public servant..."
 
Codyjp said:
I thought about this a bit today.

There were some mention of students letting go, freezing and plain old craziness. In 6 years and 3300 dual I've never had this happen. Ever. I've had a couple students ask me to take the controls (which I politely denied them) but that is about it. Nothing completely out of control. I've been into a couple spins but I've always been able to get the student to recover on their own.

Do I just have really good students or am I just numb to it?
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I only have about 800 hours of dual given, but I have had one instance where a student froze, and I had to do something about it. Usually, we're at altitude, they mess up a stall, and I sit with my arms crossed and calmly walk them through the recovery.

My scare happened with a post solo student on less than 1/4 mile final at somewhere around 100AGL. Wind caught the airplane and started a roll to the left, and he just sat there locked on the controls. He didn't go crazy or anything, just froze.

I have to admit that when I was about a 20-30 hour student, I did something similar.
 
shdw said:
I am a good guy, no arrests, didn't get into trouble at school etc. However, I have had bad experiences with cops the few times I have encountered them. I seriously see a cop car and want to ram my truck into it, they make me see red.
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Uh oh, there goes the thread.
 
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