I think Boeing is going to poop itself (Airbus buys 51% of C Series Production)

Derg said:
Like I caught some crap when I bought a BMW X5 several years ago and some yokel said, "Too good for a Murkin' made SUV?" which is probably built in Mexico or Canada whereas the BMW was built in South Carolina.
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Only 35% of the value was as it wasn't bult there, but largely just assembled. You can look back several years ago to see if that percentage was higher or lower. GMs recently moved a lot of their truck production to Mexico, but it's still has more domestic content on a percentage basis than what BMW's offering. There might be 4 or 5 models tops between the big 3 and all their brands that have a lower percentage than your BMW.

https://www.nhtsa.gov/part-583-american-automobile-labeling-act-reports
 
I think Airbus looked at some C-series numbers and did a few double-takes.

Then, concluded that they'd best take care of the C-series threat.

Squash it, or acquire it.

Because Airbus likely realized even they don't have something that can do what the C-series can and will fly.

If the above wasn't the case, this whole thing wouldn't have happened.

I think this entire deal proves the C100/300 will be a game-changer.

This is not analogous to Boeing buying MD and winding down the 717 and offering customers the 737-600/700.
 
Especially for a plane in that market that mainline carriers are snapping up. Scope-free, no restrictions or funny games with the MGTOW...
 
Nick said:
I think Airbus looked at some C-series numbers and did a few double-takes.

Then, concluded that they'd best take care of the C-series threat.

Squash it, or acquire it.

Because Airbus likely realized even they don't have something that can do what the C-series can and will fly.

If the above wasn't the case, this whole thing wouldn't have happened.

I think this entire deal proves the C100/300 will be a game-changer.

This is not analogous to Boeing buying MD and winding down the 717 and offering customers the 737-600/700.
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Agree that I don’t think Airbus will shut it down like Boeing did on the 717. But did Airbus pursue this deal because it was dirt cheap, or truly because the CSeries was a game changer? They don’t necessarily have to be mutually exclusive - it’s well designed and introduces new efficiency into a market segment that’s needed it. But with the few sales it had, it seems the market had so far rejected it as a game-changer - as did Airbus until now, when they can get the program heavily discounted. Airbus got a great product at an attractive price - but without the attractive price, would this have happened?
 
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Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Why didn't the 737-600s and A318s sell much? Wasn't that A&Bs answer to the 110-120 seat market?
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They never sold well because they are terribly inefficient for their size. They share many of the same structures as the larger variants (ie wing, tail, etc), so there’s really not a big fuel burn benefit, but they have a fraction of the seats. When you go up in size you only burn marginally more gas, but get a step change in seats.

Dusting off all the old Aero notes - things like parasite drag and wetted areas, induced drag, etc. ;)
 
I want the Boeing that designed the 757, the 767 and 777 back.

THAT Boeing could kick almost anyone's ass. The current Boeing feels like a bunch of triggered businessmen that want to bring back the Chevy Cavalier instead of building the next Tesla Model S.
 
Derg said:
I want the Boeing that designed the 757, the 767 and 777 back.

THAT Boeing could kick almost anyone's ass. The current Boeing feels like a bunch of triggered businessmen that want to bring back the Chevy Cavalier instead of building the next Tesla Model S.
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That Boeing that you want back, WAS Boeing. And not today's Boeing, helmed my McD execs.
 
Today's Boeing is like Netscape suing Microsoft over Internet Explorer. They may have won the battle but the war is far, far lost.

The 150 seat market was too small, left an opening for the 320 which rocked the market.

The sub 150 seat market was too small, left an opening for Bom-bar-dee-yay.

Innovate or figure you're simply a widebody company.
 
Derg said:
I want the Boeing that designed the 757, the 767 and 777 back.

THAT Boeing could kick almost anyone's ass. The current Boeing feels like a bunch of triggered businessmen that want to bring back the Chevy Cavalier instead of building the next Tesla Model S.
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It’s like the struggles they faced with the 787 made them think “that was hard...let’s not do that again.”
 
Good article here: https://www.businessinsider.com.au/airbus-bombardier-c-series-boeing-tariffs-us-2017-10
  • Airbus acquired 50.01% of the Bombardier C Series program.
  • Zero upfront cash investment from Airbus.
  • US-bound C Series jet to be built in Mobile, Alabama.
  • A response to the Boeing’s trade complaint and 299.45% tariff from US government.
  • Airbus will own 100% of the C Series program within 5 years.
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Innovation= failed product. #livinglanguage

So American taxpayers need to get together and bail out 1970s LearJet thanks to the Learfan (and thanks to a deficit tripling time travel machine) and it's subsequent purchase of a snowmobile manufacturer. Corporate welfare is good, and we all agree on that.

Some of this thread is weird.
 
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