drunkenbeagle
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Sucks all around. Keep a good attitude, I'm sure you'll do fine. Best of luck
I need an ATP 709 checkride
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Sucks all around. Keep a good attitude, I'm sure you'll do fine. Best of luck
SpiraMirabilis
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709 rides aren't enforcement actions. The FAA can theoretically give any of us a 709 ride for any reason.
Anytime you screw up, they can re-examine. It says it right in the regs. I just finished up with a guy who rode with a fed to check his vision after eye surgery. He started to turn the wrong way in the pattern, but corrected himself. He also landed long (like halfway down a 400ft runway long). Because the fed "saw it" he said he had to do the ride for the guy. BS if you ask me. But any inspector can order a 709 ride. And it's just that, an order. You either re-test, or loose your stuff.
msw
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If you feel you are proficient and comfortable in the airframe that you were previously flying for your airline, have you explored the possibility of renting a similar simulator from somewhere ............FlightSafety, Simuflight, Simcom, another airline training provider??.........and doing your 709 ride in that? It'd probably be cheaper than the other route you have proposed, and you'd be doing it in something you've been flying and are comfortable in (assuming that statement applies).
TUCKnTRUCK
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SlumTodd_Millionaire
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There are many places where you can rent sim time, but it's prohibitively expensive. Think several hundred dollars per hour.
drunkenbeagle
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What do you think a light twin goes for?
If it saves 3 grand spent getting familiar with a Seminole again, the sim is probably a better deal.
KSCessnaDriver
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You looked at the rental rate on a piston twin these days, especially when you add in an instructor, you'll be lucky to be around the $300/hr mark
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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I would imagine that the FAA would require a Level D sim for a 709 ride, so there aren't a whole lot of light twin simulators in that category.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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If the OP had been flying an RJ, for example, and he wanted to use an RJ sim for his 709 since that's what he's current in, we ain't talking $300/hr. We're talking $500-$1,000/hr.
drunkenbeagle
Gang Member
I would imagine it would make the most sense to do it in a sim for whatever the OP was flying previously.
Not knowing the specifics though, the Feds are usually somewhat specific in what they want to examine, so they may well have some say about the equipment used.
drunkenbeagle
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$500-$1000 sounds a lot cheaper than 3 grand. If it is going longer than an hour or two in a sim, probably time to throw in the towel as you aren't going to be leaving happy.
TUCKnTRUCK
That guy
500-1000/hr is cheap for a level D sim. You will also need a panel operator in the back. Depending on the sim o course. A 1900 is pretty cheap. Cl604, 170,190 etc full price are prob as much per hour as a 10 hour block in a Seminole.
I can't speak for the others, but FSI will not let you buy 2 hours in the sim. You have to go in or a course, or have a training program set up with them.
What type of sim are you looking for?
drunkenbeagle
Gang Member
It is at least worth calling around and asking. Worst case, you can't negotiate a price that works. Best case, they make a few bucks they wouldn't otherwise, and you don't need to do a stressful ride in an aircraft you don't know well.
If I could talk my way into access to a level D sim, it can't be that hard. Hell, they essentially offered me a job in the process.
TUCKnTRUCK
That guy
Letting you in to fool around is very different than bringing a fed in, and doing a check ride. I've done "fun" flights for various people that had stopped by the center.
If any training is conducted outside of the centers 142 certificate, they can get in a lot of trouble. FSI is a 142 center only, and it's a single ticket. If one center get the cert. pulled, all of FSI gets put on hold.
If CAE, simuflight etc operate the same way, you'll run into the same issues
drunkenbeagle
Gang Member
Agree, they may likely say no.
If I have a few minutes, I'll call around out of curiosity tomorrow. Checkrides & 709 rides are not training. And if the FSDO is cool, who exactly are they going to be ruffling feathers with?
TUCKnTRUCK
That guy
The fsdo doing the ride, likely is not the FSDO that runs the training centers certificate, for instance, ours is in Kansas.
I'm not saying they won't, but, it's a fair amount of liability, work, and potential red flags for the center. There isn't much to gain for them.
I wish you luck with it though! ( we've got 15 sims, trust me, if I could go pt. 61 on my own time and get some other types, I would. I can jump in any sim I want, anytime it's open... But, no logged training, no check rides unless I've done the full syllabus- and I'm not spending a week of vacation on it)
Beyond this, did the letter specify category, class or type required for the ride?
If the letter requires it be in type ( for the type rating?) then maybe you'll have more luck with a center?
Anyways, lawyer first. Go from there.
drunkenbeagle
Gang Member
We're all speculating here.
But I'm curious what the options are, most interesting thing I have seen to do research on in a while.
Busta McRuffsta
The Ayatollah of Rock 'n' Rolla
I recommend Du Bois flight training in Chino, CA. The owner of the school is named Lou. He is a really good guy and a fantastic instructor. I believe he has thousands of hours and will most likely work directly with you in their Seneca.
http://www.duboisaviation.com/
moxiepilot
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I'm sure there are a few of us with very good recommendations, but they are geographically based. So with your limit of $3k, your recommendations are going to be restricted based on that. I have to ask, what part of the country are you in?