How long is training???

srm1734

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How many days, weeks, or months is training if you go terminal, tracon, or enroute at the academy in OKC????

If this question has been asked and answered then somebody please lead me in the right direction..... thanx
 
why the ball park??? is there not a set amount of weeks to the training???
i mean what would shorten or lengthen the stay??
 
why the ball park??? is there not a set amount of weeks to the training???
i mean what would shorten or lengthen the stay??

Holidays, for one. I'm in OKC for about 2 days extra due to holidays.

For Tracon, my offer says 52 classroom days, which is a little over 10 weeks. If I remember correctly, Tower is here for approximately the same time, while Enroute is here for about 30 more classroom days.

I'm not positive on these numbers, but they should be pretty close.
 
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Is it an approximate 13 months from the time you get done with OKC til you are a cpc.... I saw the pay scale based on D1 D2 D3 etc...
so how long does it take to go from the bottom to top..... from that 33,700 to 110,000? (if you are in a 12 that is)
 
Next Question:

Is it an approximate 13 months from the time you get done with OKC til you are a cpc.... I saw the pay scale based on D1 D2 D3 etc...
so how long does it take to go from the bottom to top..... from that 33,700 to 110,000? (if you are in a 12 that is)

A lot of that depends on your facility. Even 12s vary from facility to facility, and what type of facility you go to. Centers are supposed to take approx. 2-3 years to reach CPC, while a Tracon/Tower can be done in a 1.5-2 years. A lot depends on how many developmentals a facility has, and how many OJTIs there are.
 
My husband has been at his facility now for a little over 4 months. He is just starting the class to get his first D-side. However, some of his OKC classmates are finishing up their first D-side...others aren't even as far as him and his class.

It really depends on facilities. Some facilities allow you to work at your own pace, others require you to stick together as a class in learning.

The biggest factor for my husbands training is that half the sim labs are taken with keeping current CPC's current on the new ERAM system. Things like that can set you back in training as well. Even with all these set backs, they expect my husband's training class to be finished training within the next 2 1/2 years (if not less).
 
Enroute is 87 classroom days - I was told checkout aprox 2 years at ZOB - give or take (dep how fast you learn )
 
Next Question:

Is it an approximate 13 months from the time you get done with OKC til you are a cpc.... I saw the pay scale based on D1 D2 D3 etc...
so how long does it take to go from the bottom to top..... from that 33,700 to 110,000? (if you are in a 12 that is)

THis is where I got that question from:
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So what is 13 months????

Okc is 3 or 4 or a lil more, so????
 
If you're at a level 12, not even close. Generally speaking nobody new is checking out in anything higher than a level 9 in 13 months. Some ARTCCs (centers) are backed up big time. Expect 5 years. Some aren't as backed up, 2-3 years would be more common. Terminal, long story but at a level 12 TRACON, don't expect to make CPC/FPL ever off the street. The biggest factor for how long it takes is how many people do they have to train you vs people needing to be trained. If they have 50 people that can train new people, and 150 new hires, you do the math. Its a different story than if say there are 30 people who can train new people and 3 new people need the training. If you hit a backlog, you will not train. You will wait. That will drag out the process. That said you could easily go to a lower level facility and get done in 6 months

The thirteen months refered to in the hiring announcement is the probation period. Many jobs have that. Basically you can get figred without the FAA having to provide any reason in your first 13 months.

Honestly the best answer anyone can give you is between 6 months and 5 years. So many places vary by so many factors. Its like asking what is the payroll on an MLB team, heck I could field one for 10 million, but how much are the Yankees on the books for 300 million? Just get a little more involved in the process and find out what kind of ATC and where in the country is more to your liking and then re ask the question might be the best for a better answer.
 
If you're at a level 12, not even close. Generally speaking nobody new is checking out in anything higher than a level 9 in 13 months. Some ARTCCs (centers) are backed up big time. Expect 5 years. Some aren't as backed up, 2-3 years would be more common. Terminal, long story but at a level 12 TRACON, don't expect to make CPC/FPL ever off the street. The biggest factor for how long it takes is how many people do they have to train you vs people needing to be trained. If they have 50 people that can train new people, and 150 new hires, you do the math. Its a different story than if say there are 30 people who can train new people and 3 new people need the training. If you hit a backlog, you will not train. You will wait. That will drag out the process. That said you could easily go to a lower level facility and get done in 6 months

The thirteen months refered to in the hiring announcement is the probation period. Many jobs have that. Basically you can get figred without the FAA having to provide any reason in your first 13 months.

Honestly the best answer anyone can give you is between 6 months and 5 years. So many places vary by so many factors. Its like asking what is the payroll on an MLB team, heck I could field one for 10 million, but how much are the Yankees on the books for 300 million? Just get a little more involved in the process and find out what kind of ATC and where in the country is more to your liking and then re ask the question might be the best for a better answer.



Ok thanx for the info....

I know my top two pics are Cleveland Terminal or ZOB
If I had to pic another it would be Denver Terminal or ZDV

I wonder how long the process thru those four???
 
Ok thanx for the info....

I know my top two pics are Cleveland Terminal or ZOB
If I had to pic another it would be Denver Terminal or ZDV

I wonder how long the process thru those four???

CLE, I am told, is about 18 months to check out after OKC. Also the sucess rate of trainees making it to CPC is very high. Down side is, they have way more trainees than they should right now, so I don't know what their hiring plan looks like in the future. ZOB, I am told, has a great training program and takes about 2 years. I don't know what the staffing levels are like there though. Good luck to you!
 
I can tell you at ZDV at the moment they are training all the CPCs on ERAM, which is the new computer system being installed in centers, which of course impacts training of developmentals who are last priority. I don't know if that process would go on long enough to impact anyone early in the hiring process though. I do know a couple of new hires there. I was talking to one recently after he had been there about ten months and he had checked out on his A sides, but hadn't started his D sides. I'm not a center guy, but if I'm not mistaken you get the bump to D1 after your first few D sides.
 
Denver is far behind on training. Denver has a back log and all the OKC trainees that left with my husband are currently working as ghost pilots...not even doing training stuff.

My husband had all training put on hold and was on the floor pulling strips for 3 months due to ERAM. He is back into the classroom now for his first D-side.

Any center that is doing ERAM has slower training times. Not only because they are training CPCs on the program but half the sims are ALWAYS taken by the CPCs after the training because they have to keep them current on ERAM, since ERAM is not the current system.

Right now the guys that are farthest ahead in training that left OKC at the same time as my husband are: Chicago, Washington DC and LA centers. Furthest behind are New York and Denver.

Also - Genot - you get your first D-1 raise when you get checked out on your first D-side.
 
As teetee suggested, training times at en route facilities largely depend on when they are scheduled to get ERAM. Thus far I have not heard of any real delays at ZME, there were a few people going there who PV'd about the time we went over to the Stafford Building that went straight into training there. I should be finding out for sure shortly, since I only have about a week and a half left in OKC. Passed my PV today!!
 
I'm currently a phase 3 developmental at ZOB. My class in OKC started Nov. 25, 2008 and I ended April 2, 2009. A little longer stay due to the holidays. I'm also an off the street hire so I attended the extra 5 weeks of 'basics'.

The training program at ZOB is currently averaging 22 months from starting in OKC to becoming a CPC. As with many other centers I may be facing a delay in my training due to ERAM. I also had to wait a couple months to start my d-side class due to the large volume of developmentals ahead of me. I came in with a large group and my group was the 3rd large group within a 3 month period to arrive at the center. Since my arrival in April, we have seen 4 more trainees come from OKC. Another big group is set to come before the end of the fiscal year. Those 4 trainees behind my class got their d-side class date rather quickly in comparison to our large class.

ZOB does have 8 areas and an abundance of OJTIs which help the process. In my area, we currently have about 8-10 trainees as various stages of training. There's also a high success rate at ZOB. If you have any other questions about the facility, feel free to PM me.
 
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