House, Senate pass 1500 rule, Rest rules, and more
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Firebird2XC
Well-Known Member
Ha! Funny, last I checked, being extremely nearsighted was a limitation for pilots.
Ah, but for a little vision...
Double Funny: The NPRM being discussed (for you lazy readers out there) was the soon-to-be written changes to the rest rules for 121 pilots, which would actually *increase* the number of jobs required over the next three years... *before* the 1500 rule kicks in. (But I know some of you won't read this far and will pitch a hissy fit. Damn us airline pilots for wanting enough rest that we're not stupid tired at the controls! Damn us all to heck!
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WacoFan
Bigly
Is it ok if I put that as my signature Waco?
Certainly!
Firebird2XC
Well-Known Member
Pay dues for what in return? A pathetic 22K a year? Why should I put in the effort and work hard for a fated career flying walmart trashy people around for a pathetic lifestyle?
WacoFan
Bigly
Umm....it was a joke. And...I would never go the 121 route anyway because I'm not aware of any that still use taildraggers. But wow. A lot of hostility.
I apologize, i didn't know it was a joke. I just think this whole 1500hr stuff is a real slap in the face. Yes, I do agree we need more experienced first officers in the cockpit but you really cannot justify paying them slave salaries and a crappy lifestyle for many years before they see better days, considering they are not furloughed. Those who have done it, good for them. I am no monk to be sacrificing my whole life for a career that kicks you in the arse if needed. I want a good lifestyle for myself.
WacoFan
Bigly
Then I suggest sales, or perhaps law or medicine.
I have a few options
A lot of experience guys always say flying is only fun when it's a hobby. When it's a job, it just becomes a chore.
jml2992
Pigeon Mutilator
Last time I checked, that 22k was for first year pay. Patience is a virtue and if you come into this industry with that attitude, I can't forsee a lot of people looking forward to having you in that right seat. If you don't think you can be happy doing this...there are plenty of other careers out there that pay quite well, don't keep you from your family, and create much less stress in your life. I'm not trying to scare you off but this was a good thing that went through and there is something to be said for paying your dues. I think several members of this board are former military and they will tell you that boot camp nearly killed them but it was the character that developed from those experiences that made them the people they are today. Same with this career. If you work for it and apply yourself, you may get noticed and this allows you an opportunity to help change things for the better. If you slam the door in your own face with a "I could care less" attitude, I wouldn't be surprised if you fly as a first officer for a couple of years and then choose to leave the fold.
Your statement is well noted
With this topic, we can sit and type all night about the pros and cons about the new rule, which I really do not want to get in to. I just wanted to get my point across and leave it as that!
jml2992
Pigeon Mutilator
Your statement is well noted
No worries. Sometimes, it just takes a little commitment and a slap on the rear to keep your head above water.
poser765
Well-Known Member
Meh I sort of think it might be a good thing. Honestly though I don't really see it doing much.
FAYEV
Well-Known Member
You're not alone.
That about sums it up. Overall the rest rules will make us safer. The 1500 hr rule is basically worthless. Guys who shouldn't be flying will find their way to 1500+ and still fly right seat and then left seat as they have for decades. Other guys will find ways to make the new rest rules look insufficient by taking advantage of the new regs and still not adequately resting prior to a shift.
The training and FAA pt-standards need to change. The written exams need to have new guidlines of some sort. Cramming a gleim book or sheppard air for a day and then passing a test without having any clue what you are regurgitating needs to go away. Oral and pratical exams need to be more standard. I am all for examiner discretion but when one guy goes up and fails for something another guys doesn't, something is screaming for change...
granlistillo
Well-Known Member
I actually feel the same way he does on some days.
BTW does the Density Altitude charts even have temperatures as high as its been in your neck of the woods recently?
WacoFan
Bigly
I actually feel the same way he does on some days.
BTW does the Density Altitude charts even have temperatures as high as its been in your neck of the woods recently?
Yesterday was brutal. I'm south of KCI by about 30 miles and it hit 100+ and was humid. They said the heat index yesterday was 115.
TheFlyingTurkey
Fetus Worshiper
I know I'm late to the discussion, but I had to chime in on this issue of experience. I worked as an instructor for 3 years before being hired at Piedmont flying the Dash 8-100/200/300. I would not have succeeded had I not had those 1200 hours and all that dual given flight time. I constantly worked on stalls with my students, in the single engine and twin. Stall recovery was drilled in my students heads and my own. Reduce angle of attack and add power.
Now when I went through training at Piedmont, stall recovery training was almost non-existent. But I wasn't worried about it because I had all that instructor time. It was drilled into my head to "push" (or at least level the nose) to break the stall and add power. So a low time pilot, having never worked as an instructor and having poor stall training at the airline, might just pull back against a stick pusher.
I don't know how many times I had to smack a students hands off the controls because they pulled back instead of pushed. It isn't a big deal in an Archer, it will stall and recover over and over again if you hold the yoke back. But don't do that on an airliner.
What's the old saying? "To go up, pull back, to go down pull back farther".
A pilot who has 1500 hours working as an instructor has more experience than a pilot who has 1500 hours and got it by towing banners or flying pipeline or dropping skydivers.
Patrick
Well-Known Member
I'll second that this is absolutely disgusting!